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    Default What's the "conservative" explanation?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...132325489.html

    By all means, someone please explain why Trump isn't a socialist clown, and why this, like all Trump promises, is making "America Great", and not, you know, currying favor to distract opposition with literal debt checks while expanding the debt on a scale unseen by even liberal/progressive/quasi-socialist presidents, all while you know, promising not to?


    Alexander Fraser Tytler:

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. "

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    Hurray!!!! We’re above average!!!
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    Haw haw haw?..

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    Because once we master space travel there really is no limit. Similar to the Louisiana Purchase and Sewards Folly (Alaska) the investments have been phenomenal. Thats why all the billionaires have invested. 2 grand will not even come close to improving my quality of life.
    Per Ardua ad Astra

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    Because once we master space travel there really is no limit. Similar to the Louisiana Purchase and Sewards Folly (Alaska) the investments have been phenomenal. Thats why all the billionaires have invested. 2 grand will not even come close to improving my quality of life.
    NASA accounts for less than half of one percent of the US federal budget, typically around 0.4% of the total discretionary spending. We'll be bankrupt long before we master even "NEO" at the rate of inflation/devaluing of the US dollar, just reality...

    If anyone does master it, it will likey be the Chinese in ~20-30 years. They invest a lot more into aerospace, and Xi doesn't drop money from airplanes when the populace is getting unhappy with them (He just sends them to camps, most likely).

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    Trump has no principles except self promotion and his ego.

    He is anti 2A, except when he needs the vote.
    He has no fiscal responsibility, see his many bankruptcies and failed businesses.
    He flip flops based on popular opinion.
    He fired Musk for cutting to much and causing him grief with the media.
    He backs down to create a "deal"

    Trump is not even close to being a conservative.

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    I got an email from the Whitehouse. Sounds like it came from some crazies

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/mysafespace/
    Per Ardua ad Astra

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    Magnets……..it’s all about magnets.
    The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...

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    Fox:

    Great!
    Now do this one:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ew-york-mayor/

    Even WAPO is concerned over the Mayor elects change of tune.
    At least he didn't waste anytime, it was during his acceptance speech.

    No, seriously comment on him next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar77 View Post
    Fox:

    Great!
    Now do this one:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ew-york-mayor/

    Even WAPO is concerned over the Mayor elects change of tune.
    At least he didn't waste anytime, it was during his acceptance speech.

    No, seriously comment on him next.
    He's shit. But just stop for a moment and realize something...

    The #1 go to for defense of Trump is by comparing him to socialist/progressive/communist whack jobs and saying "but, but, but, Stalin also did this". It's called relative privation, and it's almost the only reason Trump has remaining fans. There's always going to be someone worse to compare to. Currently, you are asking me to compare the "conservative" POTUS to the Mayor of New York City, the liberal/progressive bastion of the world, second only perhaps to Berkley (or Boulder these days???). There shouldn't be any similarities at all. Unfortunately, there are a ton. Both come (e.g. have lived in) liberal New York City, both have donated money to liberal and progressive causes, both are self interested, and both want to inflate government spending and the size of government tremendously.

    Shouldn't there be zero similarities?

    Latest has Trump talking about sending ObamaCare $ straight to people too. This guy is the biggest socialist we've ever had in office, imho. But he does flop positions like a beached carp, so there's no telling what is actual intent is, and I don't think he even knows, we may as well have a methed out POTUS for all the difference and consistency it would make.

    Would Zohran Mamdani be a worse president? Most likely. But we've yet to see what Trump will do, he's erratic enough that a severe national tragedy is not entirely out of the question.
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    Trump isn't a socialist, he's a populist. He has proven time and again he doesn't have any fixed governing philosophies so there are no conservative explanations for his proposals to rebate $2000 or to send any Obamacare subsidies directly to taxpayers except that he was (and still is) against the Obamacare subsidies in general. His proposal as I understand it is that if we have to have them in the spend plan to get the government funded then at least put the money directly in the hands of the consumers instead of making it a corporate welfare scheme for healthcare insurance companies.

    Trump is very vary far from a perfect Constitutionalist or conservative but he's hardly a bigger socialist than Biden or Obama.

    Despite that, the negatives of a President Trump are still far far less than a President Clinton, Obama, or Biden or any of the other candidates fielded by the Democrats in the last 30+ years. Trump has at least avoided appointing SCOTUS justices that take their cue from international courts like Ginsberg or just make up shit from whole cloth like Sotomayor.

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