What's the "conservative" explanation?

[Clint45]

When was the last time a 3rd party person came close to winning a percentage close to the Republicans or Democrats? Ross Perot?

That?s how Clinton was elected.

That was also when they introduced electronic voting machines... with widespread malfunctions in numerous areas.

Also, IIRC, Perot voluntarily dropped out the day before Election Day, but remained on the ballot.

[FoxtArt]

I think if George Washington were alive today there would be mass executions for treason.

I think after all this back and forth my original statement stands.

Democrats vote Democrat no matter what, people that vote Republican self fracture due to strong ideology differences within the conservative movement weakening the conservative voting block getting Democrats elected.

You can self justify it all you want about why & how you choose to vote, but it doesn?t change the end result.

Is the current administration perfect, no.

Is the current administration better than Biden & Kamala, 100%.


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The very reason Trump got elected is because Democrats didn't vote Democrat no matter what.

Just like the other guy is always influencing the elections and commiting election fraud (when the other guy wins); Democrats also stay home in droves, and they did. Much as conservatives will in 2026 and 2028. People are not a light switch; they are fickle beings.

[Firehaus]

The very reason Trump got elected is because Democrats didn't vote Democrat no matter what.

Just like the other guy is always influencing the elections and commiting election fraud (when the other guy wins); Democrats also stay home in droves, and they did. Much as conservatives will in 2026 and 2028. People are not a light switch; they are fickle beings.

Are you comparing Joe Biden?s numbers to Kamala?s numbers?

I know a few boomer women who voted for Kamala that usually vote for conservatives.


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[TEAMRICO]

So with all the belly aching from the Trump Haters and those who complain about any candidate.
Name the ultimate perfect candidate and explain why they are the best for the nation and what they would do different.
If you hate Trump we get it, you make that clear. So what exactly is your solution? I hear complaining but no solutions.
The lesser of two evils blah blah.
Who is the ultimate candidate that would solve the US’s problems that the left and right can unit behind?
Tell us because you seem to have it all figured out but are keeping it secret.
Set up the candidates for the next election.

[Jer]

So with all the belly aching from the Trump Haters and those who complain about any candidate.
Name the ultimate perfect candidate and explain why they are the best for the nation and what they would do different.
If you hate Trump we get it, you make that clear. So what exactly is your solution? I hear complaining but no solutions.
The lesser of two evils blah blah.
Who is the ultimate candidate that would solve the US’s problems that the left and right can unit behind?
Tell us because you seem to have it all figured out but are keeping it secret.
Set up the candidates for the next election.

I never said I hated Trump so maybe this wasn't directed towards me?

[Bailey Guns]

This argument has grown more tiresome than the caliber debates of the 90s. FFS...

[Jer]

This argument has grown more tiresome than the caliber debates of the 90s. FFS...

Who's arguing? Someone stated earlier that all that we get are shit options for the two main parties. I agreed and offered reasoning as to why as well as a potential solution. I was always taught that if there's a problem and you have no potential solution you're just complaining.

People want to say it won't work but it's pretty hard to deny that if everyone who was fed up with the current 2-party system voted 3rd party they would literally win. Now imagine if just enough people voted for the best candidate (even if it was 3rd party) to just show others who see the poll results this time that there is a trend towards that and maybe next time their vote won't be "wasted" and we can get more people to just vote for the best candidate for the position regardless of party affiliation.

This idea that you can only vote for one of those two parties while readily admitting that their candidates are shit is defeatist. I'm a free American and I'll vote whomever the hell I want. Too bad more people didn't feel that way and are trapped by a prison of their own creation.

I wish all this shit were as simple as handgun calibers because everyone knows 9mm is better.

[FoxtArt]

Everyone knows 9mm is better.

Only for weak-wristed FBI agents!
(10MM has entered the room)

[Jer]

Only for weak-wristed FBI agents!
(10MM has entered the room)

9mm is just fine to get the job done... That's what my wife tells me anyway.

[theGinsue]

I agree that this is a tiresome debate that has been going on for far too long (decades). Now, I'm going to throw in my two cents to add to the debate (why not; everybody else is doing it?!)

The first POTUS general election I could vote in was 1988. I contend that, then and since then, there have been no "good" candidates to vote for, just "less bad" candidates. This, in my opinion, includes all 3rd party candidates. However, I do believe that many excellent choices got discarded along the way in Primary elections. All we're ever left with are the "Giant Douche & Turd Sandwich" D & R candidates, along with the Syrup of Ipecac (vomit inducing) 3rd party candidates. In the end, the American people have a choice of the "least bad" candidate.

"Least bad". Which candidate is less likely to do further harm to our Republic?

I agree that the Dems & GOP have consistently put forth horrible candidates for us to choose from and I haven't seen one 3rd party candidate worth my consideration. The GOP, in particular, loves to choose shitty candidates. Why are these the candidates we get to choose from? Because of politic favors and which candidate can be best controlled by their party. It's as simple as that. Is it what's best for our Republic? Hell no! It hasn't been in my lifetime and it's only getting worse - which is why this nation is crumbling.

Whether the candidate is Dem, GOP, or 3rd party, I encourage you to vote your conscience. But I remind you that, when another candidate wins the election and you get to deal with their policies, YOU played a role in that happening and have zero room to complain about the circumstances of their administration.

Elections, as they say, have consequences. I can choose to be an optimist or a realist when I make my choice at the poll. This is what drives me to consistently choose the candidate who I believe has the greatest chance of winning and who will cause the Republic the least harm.