What's the "conservative" explanation?

[Eric P]

You guys can bitch and complain all you want but Trump as president is way better than president Kamala. The election was between two people and we ended up with the lesser of the two evil's.

That's like saying a stab wound is better than a severed arm...

Both were horrible candidates.

[clodhopper]

That's like saying a stab wound is better than a severed arm...

Both were horrible candidates.

Look back through history. The presidential candidates are ALWAYS horrible options.

Quality, capable leaders know better than to want to be President. Therefore, we get the candidates we deserve.

[Jer]

Look back through history. The presidential candidates are ALWAYS horrible options.

Quality, capable leaders know better than to want to be President. Therefore, we get the candidates we deserve.

This is my thought too. For too many years people aren't voting for the person who they feel is the best to lead our country but voting against the other guy. Somehow I don't think this is what our founding fathers had in mind when they created this system. Decade after decade people hold their nose to pull the lever for someone they fully know is awful for our country... they just believe within their heart of hearts that if the other person wins it will mean the end of our country as we know it.

That's a very abysmal way of looking at things and assumes that our founding fathers weren't intelligent enough to build the checks & balances into the system that it has.

For me, I vote for the best candidate for our country. Not the best candidate for me or my personal beliefs but the one who will represent our country with the respect it deserves and do their part to leave it better than it was before they got into office. IMO there hasn't been a candidate from either party that represents that in a long, long, long time. So that means I often times vote 3rd party. I can already feel the people reading this who think I'm now "the enemy" for voting for the person I think is the right person for the job. Think of that in a vacuum for a moment and why that's considered "foolish" or worse by many who are red until they die or blue no matter who. Neither of those parties gives a solitary hobo's crap about you or even this country no matter what lies they spew while campaigning.

These same people all tell me when I talk w/them in person around election time that they would 100% vote for that same 3rd party candidate but they know they won't win. By the dozens. Most people that I talk with, in fact. I'd venture to guess that over 50% of the voting public has that same thought. That number might be even higher for the non-voting public who feels that neither party represents anything about them and don't bother because they know a 3rd party candidate has no chance. Now imagine if every American simply voted for the person they felt would do the best job? Crazy thought, huh? Voting FOR the person you like. Wild.

But people will come along shortly to tell me how much of a commie I am or how I helped XYZ win that one election (an election they also told me would end the free world if candidate XYZ won... incorrectly) for thinking this way. That's fine. I'll rest easy at night knowing that I had the courage of my convictions to vote for the right man for the job. If more people did that rather than being sucked into the system and perpetuating it then we'd actually have a worthy candidate. Until everyone starts letting them know what we really think and stops giving their tepid approval by voting for them we'll continue having the government we deserve.

It's pretty wild when you think of what courage it took to form this country and now people simply are afraid to honor that by voting for the right candidate for the job.

[Firehaus]

This is my thought too. For too many years people aren't voting for the person who they feel is the best to lead our country but voting against the other guy. Somehow I don't think this is what our founding fathers had in mind when they created this system. Decade after decade people hold their nose to pull the lever for someone they fully know is awful for our country... they just believe within their heart of hearts that if the other person wins it will mean the end of our country as we know it.

That's a very abysmal way of looking at things and assumes that our founding fathers weren't intelligent enough to build the checks & balances into the system that it has.

For me, I vote for the best candidate for our country. Not the best candidate for me or my personal beliefs but the one who will represent our country with the respect it deserves and do their part to leave it better than it was before they got into office. IMO there hasn't been a candidate from either party that represents that in a long, long, long time. So that means I often times vote 3rd party. I can already feel the people reading this who think I'm now "the enemy" for voting for the person I think is the right person for the job. Think of that in a vacuum for a moment and why that's considered "foolish" or worse by many who are red until they die or blue no matter who. Neither of those parties gives a solitary hobo's crap about you or even this country no matter what lies they spew while campaigning.

These same people all tell me when I talk w/them in person around election time that they would 100% vote for that same 3rd party candidate but they know they won't win. By the dozens. Most people that I talk with, in fact. I'd venture to guess that over 50% of the voting public has that same thought. That number might be even higher for the non-voting public who feels that neither party represents anything about them and don't bother because they know a 3rd party candidate has no chance. Now imagine if every American simply voted for the person they felt would do the best job? Crazy thought, huh? Voting FOR the person you like. Wild.

But people will come along shortly to tell me how much of a commie I am or how I helped XYZ win that one election (an election they also told me would end the free world if candidate XYZ won... incorrectly) for thinking this way. That's fine. I'll rest easy at night knowing that I had the courage of my convictions to vote for the right man for the job. If more people did that rather than being sucked into the system and perpetuating it then we'd actually have a worthy candidate. Until everyone starts letting them know what we really think and stops giving their tepid approval by voting for them we'll continue having the government we deserve.

It's pretty wild when you think of what courage it took to form this country and now people simply are afraid to honor that by voting for the right candidate for the job.

This why democrats get elected. Conservatives self fracture their votes based on individual principles, liberals get in line behind who they are told to vote for by the machine. It?s sad, but true.

Term limits and no investments while in office would help reduce the lifelong grifters. IMO.


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[FoxtArt]

This why democrats get elected. Conservatives self fracture their votes based on individual principles, liberals get in line behind who they are told to vote for by the machine. It?s sad, but true.

Term limits and no investments while in office would help reduce the lifelong grifters. IMO.


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I voted 3rd party as well. There was no conservative president on the ticket, so I wrote one in.

It's not about "individual principles", I wasn't going to vote for a populist/socialist grifter with a glaring personality disorder that was compromised by other nations. Sad, but true.

Now here we are, with a president who "transferred" his business interests to a trust that lists him both as the beneficiary and the grantor, with the trustee as his son (this is a defective trust, by the way), who still maintains all business interest, declared to still maintain all business interests, started a crypto currency that other nations heavily invest in at his own personal profit, and has issued executive orders pledging to defend nations immediately after receiving gifts of 400-500million from them.

Now, once elected, spending has ramped up to new highs, just like his last term (as some of us predicted, *cough* *cough*), and he is promising to print money to send directly to people, and for no fucking reason whatsoever, which is the cardinal sin of any real conservative if there was one.

Let me repeat: There was no conservative to vote for on the ticket for 2024.

[Firehaus]

I voted 3rd party as well. There was no conservative president on the ticket, so I wrote one in.

It's not about "individual principles", I wasn't going to vote for a populist/socialist grifter with a glaring personality disorder that was compromised by other nations. Sad, but true.

Now here we are, with a president who "transferred" his business interests to a trust that lists him both as the beneficiary and the grantor, with the trustee as his son (this is a defective trust, by the way), who still maintains all business interest, declared to still maintain all business interests, started a crypto currency that other nations heavily invest in at his own personal profit, and has issued executive orders pledging to defend nations immediately after receiving gifts of 400-500million from them.

Now, once elected, spending has ramped up to new highs, just like his last term (as some of us predicted, *cough* *cough*), and he is promising to print money to send directly to people, and for no fucking reason whatsoever, which is the cardinal sin of any real conservative if there was one.

Let me repeat: There was no conservative to vote for on the ticket for 2024.

I disagree, your individual principle on this matter is a hatred for Trump. You?ll never vote for him, but what about the conservative judges that get nominated from having him in office? Remaking the judicial branch with more conservative judges is as important or more for true change to happen.

Look at how many liberal judges keep using their bench to stop everything Trump, but you probably get a smile from it every time it happens.


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[Jer]

This why democrats get elected. Conservatives self fracture their votes based on individual principles, liberals get in line behind who they are told to vote for by the machine. It?s sad, but true.

Term limits and no investments while in office would help reduce the lifelong grifters. IMO.


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Democrats get elected because more people voted for them based on our electoral college. You can try to explain that away and blame people like me all you want but the reality is that if the Republican party put forth a better candidate then the Democrat wouldn't have won. But you continue voting for the candidate you KNOW sucks and this is your tepid approval of their choice for candidate. Why would they change? Their "Turd Sandwich" candidate _almost_ beat the "Giant Douche" candidate so what reason do they have to blow it up and change their flawed system?

I also find it interesting that you think that you voting Republican no matter who the candidate they put forward is somehow not being a cog in the very machine you bemoan in the same breath. If more people thought the way I did & voiced that with their vote (for the best possible candidate available to them regardless of affiliation) then BOTH parties would have to realize they've been out-of-touch for far too long and need to change.

Also, what about what I just said allows you to so confidently label me a "conservative" to tell me I'm voting wrong? I'm an American first and foremost and I fail to see how voting for the best candidate for the country (as I see it) can be faulted so confidently. If being a conservative means I have to hold my nose as I pull the proverbial lever for an inferior candidate (even if the best option available is a 3rd party candidate) then I guess I'm not a conservative. I don't see myself as such anyway so that fits my way of thinking. I also don't particularly like being put in a box where I MUST think a certain way on dozens of topics and not have a mind of my own on the individual topics. It's kind of silly that we as individuals are expected to conform this way and support every single aspect of our affiliation.

Again, if either party wants my vote they'd stop putting for Giant Douche & Turd Sandwich as my only choices. I'm not casting my vote as a spite vote because someone else thinks I should because it's what they did and I should just get in line and vote for an inferior candidate so that an even more inferior candidate doesn't win when the best option (the way I see it) is also on the list of options. That isn't logical and I'm not adding to the problem by doing so.

(credit to South Park for so perfectly nailing our presidential choices going back over 2 decades ago now in an obvious case of the more things change, the more they stay the same to anyone who bothers looking)

[Firehaus]

Democrats get elected because more people voted for them based on our electoral college. You can try to explain that away and blame people like me all you want but the reality is that if the Republican party put forth a better candidate then the Democrat wouldn't have won. But you continue voting for the candidate you KNOW sucks and this is your tepid approval of their choice for candidate. Why would they change? Their "Turd Sandwich" candidate _almost_ beat the "Giant Douche" candidate so what reason do they have to blow it up and change their flawed system?

I also find it interesting that you think that you voting Republican no matter who the candidate they put forward is somehow not being a cog in the very machine you bemoan in the same breath. If more people thought the way I did & voiced that with their vote (for the best possible candidate available to them regardless of affiliation) then BOTH parties would have to realize they've been out-of-touch for far too long and need to change.

Also, what about what I just said allows you to so confidently label me a "conservative" to tell me I'm voting wrong? I'm an American first and foremost and I fail to see how voting for the best candidate for the country (as I see it) can be faulted so confidently. If being a conservative means I have to hold my nose as I pull the proverbial lever for an inferior candidate (even if the best option available is a 3rd party candidate) then I guess I'm not a conservative. I don't see myself as such anyway so that fits my way of thinking. I also don't particularly like being put in a box where I MUST think a certain way on dozens of topics and not have a mind of my own on the individual topics. It's kind of silly that we as individuals are expected to conform this way and support every single aspect of our affiliation.

Again, if either party wants my vote they'd stop putting for Giant Douche & Turd Sandwich as my only choices. I'm not casting my vote as a spite vote because someone else thinks I should because it's what they did and I should just get in line and vote for an inferior candidate so that an even more inferior candidate doesn't win when the best option (the way I see it) is also on the list of options. That isn't logical and I'm not adding to the problem by doing so.

(credit to South Park for so perfectly nailing our presidential choices going back over 2 decades ago now in an obvious case of the more things change, the more they stay the same to anyone who bothers looking)

Thank you for making my point about people who vote more conservative than liberal self fracturing stick while making it about you and misgendering your political stance.

Do you think more people voted for Trump in 2016 for him or the Supreme Court seats?


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[Jer]

Thank you for making my point about people who vote more conservative than liberal self fracturing stick while making it about you and misgendering your political stance.

Do you think more people voted for Trump in 2016 for him or the Supreme Court seats?


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No, your point was based on how conservatives vote. My statement was pretty clearly that I'm not a conservative. However you want to label that.

We do agree on one point though... people not voting for a particular candidate can cause them & their party to lose. If the parties themselves understood this they would put forth better candidates to earn those "lost" votes.