The Circle Approach to surviving

[SA Friday]

Yeah, but are you going to have an oven available if the power is out or the gas is off? That's what I mean.

Ya, but the concept is the same with a cast iron and brick ovens, gas oven, electric oven, or dutch oven. I would imagine each has it's own querks, but if you have a good handle on the other variables already it should shorten the learning curve.

The Iraqi's in southern Iraq can make an oven out of brick and camel dung to cook their bread. I got to see a lot of the ovens and their construction. They were real survivers. I can figure out how to make an oven out of brick too (I'll skip the camel dung mortar though, I can find something else).

[jerrymrc]

Yeah, but are you going to have an oven available if the power is out or the gas is off? That's what I mean.

In my case yes. I have 3 ways to go. I have a manual oven in the camper. I have a coleman oven that fits on the camp stove. And last but not least I am set up to provide more than enough power to run the bread machine.

For me the bread machine makes the most sense because electricity is something I will have even if I have to leave. Propane is a one-time resource that would not be replaceable if I had to leave.

[Irving]

I don't know where to put this, but it seems like lock picking would be a simple, yet useful skill to learn. I've got some stuff about it at home, but just don't have the time to get into it right now.

[Hoosier]

Alright, I'm horrible with the TL;DR stuff...

What I want is a reference of everything you'd need for survival that fits on an iphone. I know you're thinking, that's a horrible idea. But really, the iphone at that point would just be an ipod touch, a simple rugged handheld reference device that can store a ton of information. This same data should start as a wiki and be portable to whatever your particular devices are... even if it's just paper. A blackberry, a Kindle, these devices can easily be powered off small cheap 12vdc solar panels.

TL;DR version: Survival Wiki, does it exist? Is there an App for that?

[Troublco]

I don't want to post this in SA's jarring thread, but if you are making bread from scratch, aren't you looking at using something like a dutch oven? I haven't seen anyone mention a Dutch Oven yet.

You don't really need a dutch oven, but if you have one you can use it for almost everything. I have a medium size one for that reason. But you can get along without one, certainly.

[Irving]

When I thought of the Dutch Oven, I was imagining someone on the move or camping or something. I guess it would just be another accessory if you were only bugging in.

[jerrymrc]

Alright, I'm horrible with the TL;DR stuff...

What I want is a reference of everything you'd need for survival that fits on an iphone. I know you're thinking, that's a horrible idea. But really, the iphone at that point would just be an ipod touch, a simple rugged handheld reference device that can store a ton of information. This same data should start as a wiki and be portable to whatever your particular devices are... even if it's just paper. A blackberry, a Kindle, these devices can easily be powered off small cheap 12vdc solar panels.

TL;DR version: Survival Wiki, does it exist? Is there an App for that?

You might want to think a little beyond that. First up is books. There are a few out there that I like allot. A binder. Everything that I have found interesting on the internet I save. Critical things have printed out and keep in a 3 ring binder.

Electronic. I promised no Tinfoil but lets say plain and simple that there is a large EMP strike.
Your phone just became a paperweight. 90% of the electronics that were not shielded just became paperweights. In my case I keep 2 laptops. One is an older Dell D400 that I keep updated and shielded. I may never need it but it's only function is to be there when everything else is not.

As New info and data get put on a 500G hard drive that is shielded as well. In addition I keep back ups of everything on CD's. Lots of other stuff I have put away. I also have a newer laptop that I do not store much info on but is there as a backup.

Just some thoughts.

[Irving]

I hear that the threat of EMP isn't nearly as serious as people make it out to be.

[jerrymrc]

I hear that the threat of EMP isn't nearly as serious as people make it out to be.

Yes and no. My take is that in many of the tests that have been done it is not as bad as it seems. There are some history lessons that tell me it might be an issue.

Now that said for me at least it was cheap to guard against the latter. The extra electronics that are kept for leaving are all housed in one large container that is grounded. All items were already consigned to the "bug out" plan.

Just some thoughts.

[Irving]

Yeah, I don't mean to say that your precautions shouldn't be taken; not at all. I don't know much about EMP at all, but hear over and over that it is kind of like predicting the weather, where some stuff can be totally destroyed, while others are largely unscathed.