Pre-band vs. Post-ban

[BigBear]

So besides the obvious ('68/'89 bills) what exactly are teh differences?

For instance, I know a post ban firearm can't have a bayonet lug, must contain x number of US made parts, etc... but why?

And in that case, why do people build 'em with import parts and the bayonet lug and stuff.

I was under the impression that the law just applied to full auto and/or select fire firearms... Apparently after some light reading, I was wrong.

I need some schooling.

[Irving]

I'm pretty sure the post/pre ban stuff refers to the Assault Weapons Ban that eclipsed a few years ago. You can still have bayo lugs now. The number of US parts has to do with the 922r (something like that) statute. I don't think that the 922r issue has anything to do with the AWB, but I'm not sure.

[BPTactical]

Pre ban vs Post ban.
Ban items were cosmetic items only that typically had very little to do with the function of the firearm:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Bayonet mount
• Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
• Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

• Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
• Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
• Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
• Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
• A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
• Detachable magazine

Like I said-very little to do with the funcion of the firearm. There was also a "High Capacity" magazine ban that was a sidesaddle to the AWB ban. Some states still abide by the AWB, with California going above and beyond with their regulations.

922r actually went into effect in 1990, the AWB in 1994 and even though the AWB "sunsetted" 922r still applies.
922 (r)
The Imported Parts Law (1990)
178.39 otherwise known as 922(r) 10 Foreign parts law on semi auto Rifles & Shotguns
http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of
testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the
provisions of Sec. 178.151; or
(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunnion)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstock
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, hand guards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floor plates

A "Post Ban" weapon does not have to have US parts on it as long as it is not modified in any way. Look at a Norinco MAK 90 in it's original form.
Now if you were to insert a high cap mag into the same MAK 90, according to BATF regs you have modified it and it now must have the compulsory US parts count.
It is perfectly legal to modify a post ban weapon. If it is a foreign made weapon however 922r applies. If it is a domestically made weapon you can disregard 922r.

[BigBear]

So was this just an attempt to give more American companies bussiness? ...

Also, what was the specific reason for banning these items? Seems to me like some jackhole was just trying to make them look "less lethal"?....

[SA Friday]

The specific reason for both of the laws developed straight from the bowels of ignorance and political agenda. They have nothing to do with the actual reality of the firearms, their capabilities, or the desire to do anything but make the guns in question Politically Correct.

I bought a post ban Romainian AK and the the difference is so minute it's laughable. I had a post ban AR that I set up for three gun and all the differences to set it up essentially made it post ban except for the comp I had the barrel threaded for.

The AWB was virtually worthless from a legal or political standpoint.

[BPTactical]

Do a search on Dianne Fienstein and you will find the "Jackhole" in all her glory. The videos of her were hilarious trying to warn us of the evil guns. The AWB was an attempt by the Brady Bunch to rid the US of "Evil Black Rifles" under the ruse of reducing crime and gang related firearm shootings.
Do some poking around and you will find that it had no effect whatsoever on firearm related crime. In 2004 after it sunsetted there were numerous Judicial and Congressional hearings on it's effectiveness, as some wanted to make it permanent and it could have been with GW's signature. The findings were very dissapointing to the Brady Bunch. Less than 1% of ALL firearm related crimes were the result of "Assault Weapons". Of that one percent only only a very small fraction were commited by the lawfull owners of said weapons.
The FBI, the Justice Department and one of the most staunch anti gun Congresswomen ever, Patricia Schroeder (D-CO) all stated that it was a waste and that it deprived lawfull citizens of firearms.


Pretty good description of the ban and it's lack of effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_Weapons_Ban

[SA Friday]

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU SAID HER NAME!!!

What's wrong with you? I was living in my regression that Pat NEVER existed!

That's it. I'm psychologically scarred for life.