Since trying to create a logo, I have found that one of the issues is trying to find a graphic of an M-16/AR-15 that meets not only the standards you all are asking for (30 round mag, pre-ban, etc.), but also one that contains sufficient detail. I've found lots of pics of ARs around, but they are generally pretty small, and when you include them in a highly detailed graphic, you will only get a pixilated mess.

For the logo that I proposed that contained the M4, I was actually able to scan than from a Colt paper catalogue I had, so it was easy for me to control the detail. That is why that one looks so good. But the 20" rifles Colt had pictures of in the catalogue were all post-bans, with no flash hiders and puny mags.

The version of the logo I recently created with the 20" rifle was the best I was able to find, and actually it is not too bad in terms of being able to work with it. I was able to cut-and-paste and 30 round mag on there, but as bossman pointed out, there is no bayo lug. Maybe I can paste one on there as well.

If I could ask one question: what aspect of the current logo makes it attractive? Color? Rifle? Font? Maybe I can try to meld the two for a "best of both worlds" look.

- Snacko