Bear Arms - Windsor, CO

[Great-Kazoo]

Yeah, we'll blame it on that. You don't know how many times I nearly created a new thread to warn everyone but decided to take the high road and be thankful I never put myself into position to be taken for more by him.

DUDE, you're too easy.

[Irving]

Jensen's just doesn't smile enough for you and you never miss an opportunity to drag them through the mud, but this chump burns you for what I assume is thousands of dollars and you don't even mention anything?

As punishment you should burn both your palms on the stove, then drive over to Jensen's and buy a months worth of bandages from them, with cash, and smile as hard as you can the whole time.

[Jer]

Jensen's just doesn't smile enough for you and you never miss an opportunity to drag them through the mud, but this chump burns you for what I assume is thousands of dollars and you don't even mention anything?

As punishment you should burn both your palms on the stove, then drive over to Jensen's and buy a months worth of bandages from them, with cash, and smile as hard as you can the whole time.

It has nothing to do with Jensen not smiling enough for me and everything to do with them overcharging me in a situation where I basically had little to no out and then making it seem like they were doing me a favor when they offered to discount that overcharge slightly after I brought it up repeatedly. They then proceeded to attempt to sully other well-known and trusted industry partners to the end of slightly higher profits on a few NFA items for themselves. The list goes on and extends back years but I won't bring that up because I don't have to. I don't shop there and occasionally mention that I don't as a bit of a tongue in cheek warning to others who may not know.

In the end I was able to recover what was due to me (after some repeated attempts and BS excuses) financially and after much debate decided that I would simply call it a day on the topic in an attempt to move on. It was far more personal than business dealings and therefore wasn't laundry I was wanting to air or get into detail on. The only hope was that the long string of those he had burned personally and professionally would find the light of day and he would sink his own ship. As I already stated, I do fill guilty for not editing my first post in this thread which I would have had I remembered it was me who started the thread. Those that have talked to me in person can tell you that I pretty much buy online exclusively now and use FFL's because the LGS options in the area aren't worthy of my business for various reasons.

For the record, I also don't shop at Liberty Arms for less personal reasons that involve some of the same thing that Jensen Arms did to me (they actually had the same canned response in regards to the industry partner mentioned earlier) but I wasn't a long-term customer who was known by first name by all of the employees so it was far less personal. To me, the Jensen Arms thing felt more personal because of the long time business relationship that existed between us. I spent many years as the 'Jensen Arms Apologist' whenever people would bring their customer service into question when few others would. I even met with the new owner before hours to try give him an opportunity to explain his side and I mine and give him a chance to make it right and he still didn't. Bridges burned can be forgiven but never forgotten. As far as I'm concerned I never even crossed the Liberty Arms bridge.

[Irving]

I know exactly what you're talking about, because I've read all those threads, but there is no way I wasn't going to rib you after this admission.

[Jer]

I know exactly what you're talking about, because I've read all those threads, but there is no way I wasn't going to rib you after this admission.

I deserved it.

[SouthPaw]

The only hope was that the long string of those he had burned personally and professionally would find the light of day and he would sink his own ship.

Funny that you say. Remember when his yacht sank after three days of buying it lol.

Gary has always been good to me and I have hung out with him times for happy hour drinks, or the like. Back when they first opened, we had talked about me working there to manage the store while he was gone. In the end, I saw the writing on the wall. I think that is why him and Brady got along so well. Their 'business' are toys to them. Sink or swim, I really feel like they could care less. They were great when they first opened up but anymore 'good' gun stores are hard to come by. Like you, I find it so much easier to buy all my stuff online. I have two suppressors in jail right now from a local dealer, but I will not be using him again. I have had to do all my own foot work on it and honestly, I have hard time trusting others with my paperwork and follow ups.

[Jer]

Funny that you say. Remember when his yacht sank after three days of buying it lol.

Gary has always been good to me and I have hung out with him times for happy hour drinks, or the like. Back when they first opened, we had talked about me working there to manage the store while he was gone. In the end, I saw the writing on the wall. I think that was him and Brady got along so well. Their 'business' are toys to them. Sink or swim, I really feel like they could care less. They were great when they first opened up but anymore 'good' gun stores are hard to come by. Like you, I find it so much easier to buy all my stuff online. I have two suppressors in jail right now from a local dealer, but I will not be using him again. I have had to do all my own foot work on it and honestly, I have hard time trusting others with my paperwork and follow ups.

Yeah, I do recall that and I would be lying if I said that my first knee-jerk reaction wasn't of fraud being involved.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have hard time trusting others with my paperwork and follow ups.


RULE #1 IN NFA: If you want it done right do it yourself. This way IF something goes south, paperwork wise. There's no one to blame but yourself.
It also keeps time frame down when the person at the shop FORGETS TO CONTACT YOU WHEN THE PAPERWORK COMES BACK DENIED !


AS for the former gun store. Yes when it's run as someone's hobby. Like any other hobby they eventually lose interest.

[SouthPaw]

I have hard time trusting others with my paperwork and follow ups.


RULE #1 IN NFA: If you want it done right do it yourself. This way IF something goes south, paperwork wise. There's no one to blame but yourself.
It also keeps time frame down when the person at the shop FORGETS TO CONTACT YOU WHEN THE PAPERWORK COMES BACK DENIED !


AS for the former gun store. Yes when it's run as someone's hobby. Like any other hobby they eventually lose interest.

My paper work was good. Getting him to send it is was another story. Then when the check wasn't cashed for four or five weeks, I kept having to ask him what was going on. After asking him enough times he finally called to find out that they did not like that my check and forms were dated different (or at least that is what he told me). Silencershop makes it stupid easy to buy from them now with their 'Powered' dealer option.

[brutal]

After reading this, I realize how blessed we are to have guys like Tim @DangerLee Industries on this end of town.