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Yeah...great....we will end up with a nice established range
With no rapid fire...no loaded guns except when actually shooting
No drawing from a holster
Specific distances...no options
Great..................I am excited
what if we get all the CO shooting organizations together and publicly announce that we do not condone the actions of these POS that feel like it's ok to leave their trash all over the place. Maybe if we gave a reward for the arrest, conviction and subsequent new 'prison girlfriend' of any perps leaving a mess! :evil:
Well I guess we now know why there is trash all over the place. Because of the slob in the above post who thinks its OK to leave a mess for the rest of us. Don't these fools know that because of them we are losing access to public lands. There must be a bunch of them because there are messes like this all over the country.
Like Gman said if you to shoot up trash go for it, just take it home. You brought it out take it home. What kind of an idiot would leave that type of mess in the forest?
Originally Posted by Chaffee2
I would even go so far as to say, what the hell do you need to know what shooting a washer/water heater/TV/PC Monitor (any other peice of garbage) looks/feels like???? Bring targets, shoot targets, carry out what you carry in, if not more.
I'm new to shooting, new to CO AR-15. I lean more towards the "preserve natural resources" side of things. It's interesting to see Delphi getting jumped on pretty hard here. I can't tell if he is totally into trashing places, or just doesn't get bothered when others do. Obviously some of our other members get very bothered. Certainly when the loss of a nice place to shoot is on the table I can understand that.
Before I started reading you guys, I had a stereotype of 'gun people' as all having attitudes more like Delphi. That one got busted pretty quick.
Then PhL0aTeR says
"I would even go so far as to say, what the hell do you need to know what shooting a washer/water heater/TV/PC Monitor (any other peice of garbage) looks/feels like???? Bring targets, shoot targets, carry out what you carry in, if not more."
I can agree with that, but I'm wondering - we sure leave the lead out there. It would be pretty darn hard to pick up and pawing around throught the berm would be kicking up lead dust too - yuck.
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We went up there this A.M., I've seen it worse and seen it better.
It really needs cleaned up, we took a couple bags of trash out of there.
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I wouldnt describe it as jumping, merely persuading to take another look... [poke]As far as the lead and whatnot, there is a happy medium between what rampart looks like as a free for all, and what it could look like with responsible people on it. Asthetics is the key to keeping the bad publicity off all the good shooters, when the look of rampart gets us bad publicity.Then PhL0aTeR says
"I would even go so far as to say, what the hell do you need to know what shooting a washer/water heater/TV/PC Monitor (any other peice of garbage) looks/feels like???? Bring targets, shoot targets, carry out what you carry in, if not more."
I can agree with that, but I'm wondering - we sure leave the lead out there. It would be pretty darn hard to pick up and pawing around throught the berm would be kicking up lead dust too - yuck.
Personally, i like to go out there when it is really busy with a trashbag and walk up where people are shooting when i see a fairly new box (empty) of the shells they are shooting, and ask them if they are done with that box. sometimes i wait for an answer, sometimes not, but i always pick it up, and put it in my trashbag and walk away leaving them to think about what just happened.
I guess what im trying to say is, we could all bitch about the state of the range, but what can we do to do something about it?
Maybe we can start a new post here, or a poll, but I would be more than willing to take a friday or saturday morning, bring my truck, trailer, and a shitload of heavy duty bags if i get some help in filling those bags. We might even pass a hat around to take a collection for the dump fees. If we got a minimum of 10 people up there, 2 hours or so, would do wonders for that place and i think everyone knows it.
EDIT: Matter of fact, i think Delphi should be the first to volunteer to prove he doesnt think that way, and he meant his comment to be funny. :mrgreen:
Good on ya!!!!! Lets coordinate!
In reply to 2ndChildhood and the lead problem. From what I understand the lead left behind is no big deal because of the weight of the material and lead is natually occuring. I got that from the EPA when a range was being closed down and it needed to be cleaned up. The EPA said all target backers, trenches, backstops, etc. needed to be gone but the lead was OK to stay.
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