carry in Banks

[HunterCO]

Hunter
What do you mean by:

Once again for the millionth time signs don't mean a damn thing in CO.

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What I mean is signs have no legal weight if a bussiness is posted and you carry anyway you are not breaking any law. They can't do a damn thing if they discover your armed except ask you to leave.

If they ask you to leave and you refuse then you could be charged with trespassing.

In other words what they don't know won't hurt them screw the signs they don't mean anything and are not worth the material they are printed on.

I have never seen a business posted because I never look and could care less. I carry every place I go period if they find out and ask me to leave so be it I will never go back.

[KarlPMann]

I agree with you 99%. It is illegal to carry on USPS property. There was a sign in my local Post Office a few weeks ago until it mysteriously disappeared. :twisted: But nevertheless, it is illegal by federal law. I still carry there, but then again, I've never let silly ol' laws stop me before. :mrgreen: Karl.

[HunterCO]

I agree with you 99%. It is illegal to carry on USPS property. There was a sign in my local Post Office a few weeks ago until it mysteriously disappeared. :twisted: But nevertheless, it is illegal by federal law. I still carry there, but then again, I've never let silly ol' laws stop me before. :mrgreen: Karl.

Karl

Your wrong it is not illegal to carry on USPS property read article 18 section 930.

Better yet her is a lawyer from NY that explains it. The only Federal property that is 100% off limits is a federal court house.

In CO it is 100% legal to carry in a PO.


http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

[KarlPMann]

Well, let me put it this way. The USPS has saw fit to make up signs, for their offices to post, that state it is illegal, and they cite the federal statute. If the opinion of a lawyer was the law, we'd have no need for courts. I'll see if I can find a copy of that sign. Karl. :cool:

[HunterCO]

Karl if you would have went to the link I provided they have a picture of the sign. It cites article 18 section 930 and they do not site the entire statue.

The very first sentence of the statue says "Except as provided in subsection D"

They of course don't have subsection D listed on that poster because it clearly states that if you are lawfully carrying incident to a lawfull purpose it is not illegal to carry a firearm on federal property.

Go to the link I provided and read it a lawyer does not make law but they have to inturprit it that is their job.

Here is a picture of the sign notice it does not contain the entire statue.

[marty]

I don't mean to start a thread on this, but see the third bullet from the Jeffco Sheriff CCW web site. So if the owner of a business has a posted sign - not supposed to carry there:

12. Where are the carry restrictions?
A person may not carry a concealed handgun into:

* a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law;
* a public building at which security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place;
or
* where a private property owner, private tenant, private employer or private business entity disallow.

[HunterCO]

I don't mean to start a thread on this, but see the third bullet from the Jeffco Sheriff CCW web site. So if the owner of a business has a posted sign - not supposed to carry there:

12. Where are the carry restrictions?
A person may not carry a concealed handgun into:

* a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law;
* a public building at which security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place;
or
* where a private property owner, private tenant, private employer or private business entity disallow.

You don't get it they can make any rule they want that does not make it a law. A no gun sign means no more than a no shirt no service sign. If I ignore a no shirt no service sign can I be arrested? Of course not there is no law that says I have to wear a shirt. There is no law in CO that states it is a crime to enter a business posted with a no gun sign. All they can do is refuse service and ask you to leave.

[marty]

I'm not talking about no shirt no service.

A private property owner is not making the no concealed carry law. That is a Colorado law. It provides that a CCW holder is prohibited from carrying if a private property owner so indicates.

[KarlPMann]

I think the difference may be whether the "posted" property is open to public use. In other words, if it's my house, then I have the right to post it AND if you violate that, I CAN have you arrest for trespassing. In the case of an area open to the public, they can just ask you to leave first, then if you refuse, get you arrested. But I've also seen those type of signs at the social security office in Pueblo. They specify that having a CCW DOES NOT exempt you. They don't have a metal detector, but they do have an armed guard. I still carry anywhere I can get away with it. :P :twisted: :P Karl.

[Mule]

My understanding from my CCW class/instructor was this.
If they post a no carry and you do, and you get nailed by them, they call the local LEO, you get ticketed for something stupid, it is a justification for the state to pull your license - because you ignored their sign. That is in the law therefore it is the law...... IMHO....
I still carry into the PO and bank. Why would they find out anyway? That's why it's called conceiled..... I don't drink while packing either. That's another part of the rules we have to live by.