More effective/fairer gun control

[Delphi]

Ok here's how i think it should be.

Convicted Felons cant own a gun, Period. If found owning one minimum of 20 years jail time.

I believe that any firearm should be allowed to be owned, and any firearm be allowed to be manufactured and sold(as long as buyer has correct certification) including FA's. They should have lvl1-3 training.

Level 1:
Prerequisite: Be a law obiding citizen
Proof of fire proof safe to store arms in
Age:15

Teach safty and regulations and than make sure that students pass the test with a good amount of range time under supervision. This would allow the owning of bolt action hunting rifles, and 22lr target rifles. Training would be performed with one bolt and one semi-auto 22 rifle.

Level 2:
Prerequisite: Lvl 1 Training
Proof of fire proof safe to store arms in
Age: 18

Would teach safe self defence firing and would re-emphasize laws. It would be a cource entailing a good amount of range time with both sem-auto rifles, pistols and shotguns. Shooter would have to demonstrate decent accuracy with both point shoot and sight shoot, while proving complete saftey in order to be certified.

Level3:
Prerequisite: LVL1-2 training
Proof of fire proof safe to store arms in
Age: 18

Would be a FA cource re-emphasizing the lvl1-2 cources, with much higher standards. A few minor infractions and the shooter would have to retake the cource. Shooter would have to demonstrate knowledge of gun laws, and control of weapons in both 3-shot and FA. Shooters would fire both FA's and Silenced weapons.


These tests would have very high standards that would have to be adhered to. It would not limit anyone(exept for felons) and would keep incompetant people out of the reach of arms. It would also improve safty in general and reduce the accidental injuries while making FA and other limeted guns obtainable at reasonable cost. It would keep those mentally not capable of owning a firearm out of they're reach. Licenses would have to be updated every 6 months with a competency live firing test, and if a licensee is convicted of a felony all his guns would be confiscated and license taken away. In all honesty some of those guys you see buying shotgun ammo at walmart, probobly should have a shotgun.

[KarlPMann]

Hmmmmm. :twisted: OK, so what's the purpose of requiring a "Fire Proof Safe"? Is that just to raise the cost of owning firearms so high that only the rich could afford them? I mean, we ALL know that fireproof safes do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect a gun from fire/heat damage!!! We also know that fireproof safes are VERY POOR burglary resistant safes!!! So what's the sense in requiring them?

Then let's get to the whole safe thing....
In order for the safe to be effective at keeping a would be burglar out, it has to be large, heavy, well made, and fairly thick. That means expensive, fairly slow to open, and hard to move for those of us unfortunate enough to not own their homes.

What sense would it make to spend more money on a safe, than on the gun itself? I mean, if I just wanted a small, inexpensive, home defense handgun, then why would I be required to spend large sums of money to house it.

Let's not even get into the whole cost of this great idea.....

Gun, training, permits, safes...... :evil:

I got a much better idea, let's just learn to live with the idea that this is still a free country and we still have a RIGHT to own them!!!

Karl. :P

[2ndChildhood]

let's just learn to live with the idea that this is still a free country and we still have a RIGHT to own them!!!
Karl. :P

Karl, you're such a reactionary! :mrgreen:

[Merl]

I'm with Karl on this one. Lets get back to an innocent until proven guilty model. Show you are responsible (define that however you may, I have mine) and you may do what you like.
Cannot responsibly accept some freedoms, you lose them. The rest of us should not.

[Great-Kazoo]

delphi

read a few of your other post and replied to some (hey even this one)
what dosage does your doc have you on?

while i do feel firearm training is a good idea. i also know its up to the individual to CHOOSE if they want to take a safety course.

and while we're at it why not say limit purchases to 1 gun a month.
are you one of those hunter/sportsmen i've heard about??

[Delphi]

Pretty much i think their are allot of people in this country that are incompetent of owning a firearm. People who never even have shot a gun before and think that an AK is cool just because they saw it in a video game or movie can go buy one without ever having had any type of safty training.

Do you guys honestly think somone should have a an assault rifle without even knowing how to load the magazine into it or arm it correctly let alone know any safty standards?

Maybee a fireproof safe is a bit overdone, but some type of safty mechanism should be used unless it's a pistol which could be kept by the side of your bed.

And the tests and permits wouldnt be all that expensive, at least they would make sure that the guy next to you in the firing line doesnt shoot you because of accident and lack of safty training.

Basically it would be a goverment regualted thing and would keep you much safer. Knowing some people that own guns(who are truely incompetent at anything) I am very scared to admit they even live in my state. Basically i think they should at least have an IQ test to own a gun

But before bieng allowed to purchase a gun mandatory safty should be tought to perspective buyers.

Also with this type of law in effect it would allow Machine guns to be easly accessible again, which is one major right that was stripped away of us. Easly affordable military grade weapons.

And no i dont hunt, in general i'm not the type of person that would like to kill things.

I do like poking holes in paper, and am an avid collector of firearms, i like they're mechanics, I like how each one is different.


Plus limiting it to one a month wouldnt do crap, what does it matter if an incompetant idiot gets ahold of one or two ak's, one is enough to cause accidental tradgedy.

[BadShot]

Honestly Delphi, this looks remarkably like the Canadian laws.. it's not working so well up there. I had the chance to talk with a Canadian shotgun collector; for instance he can't even display his replicas because of their weapon security laws.

Manditory training, even if it's the intro to firearms course that the NRA offers or the likes is a good idea for certain. I don't disagree with some of what you say, but the good ol' second ammendment doesn't require safes or training and I'm going to side with the founding fathers on that one.

[RYAN50BMG]

You sure spend alot of time typing dumb $hit. [poke]

[Gman]

Delphi, there are so many false assumptions in your concept that I can't even go over them in detail right now. Maybe later when I have the time to disassemble them.

[Delphi]

Well pretty much guys i know you are all against tighter gun control, as am i. But in all honesty you have to agree some people are just not fit to own a firearm.

I think that if their is one thing that should be required its certified NRA training.

All that on top was just an idea, you have better please give it. But i certainly do thing a training cource could do no harm. IF your gonna spend hundreds on guns why not spend 50$ on somthing that will help keep you and your freinds alive?