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    Suck it - you had your chance asshat.. I think that’s your answer, regardless of his offer. It seems to me that your new employer saw something in you that the old one either didn’t see, or didn’t think he needed to acknowledge and reward, and is only possibly going to offer you something better because he is losing you. Which means he’d be willing to treat you like you like crap, as long as he can get away with it. Also, even if he makes you a great offer, you already left him once, so he’s liable to be somewhat offended and keep it in the back of his mind going forward. The fact that your new boss came after you and demonstrated that you’re valuable to him, makes me think he’s likely to continue that behavior in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentonite View Post
    Suck it - you had your chance asshat.. I think that?s your answer, regardless of his offer. It seems to me that your new employer saw something in you that the old one either didn?t see, or didn?t think he needed to acknowledge and reward, and is only possibly going to offer you something better because he is losing you. Which means he?d be willing to treat you like you like crap, as long as he can get away with it. Also, even if he makes you a great offer, you already left him once, so he?s liable to be somewhat offended and keep it in the back of his mind going forward. The fact that your new boss came after you and demonstrated that you?re valuable to him, makes me think he?s likely to continue that behavior in the future.
    Exactly right.

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    Agreed. I left a company once and my boss was pissed I didn't tell him. He wanted to know why I didn't come to him first, but I knew his restrictions and he just wouldn't have been able to make me happy. I really liked that boss too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GilpinGuy View Post
    So my GM (way above my actual boss) calls me at about 3:45 and leaves a VM to call him. My last day at this company is 2/7. I'm at a meeting with my new employer at the time and the phone is off.

    At 5pm or so I text him and he says a call at 9pm or 10pm would be great. I left him a VM at 9:30pm. No response yet.

    I'm thinking an offer to stay. More ching, better hours (graves suck). I'm also thinking "suck it - you had your chance asshat".

    We'll see if I get a call back tonight. He better hurry up though, gettin into the bourbon at this point.
    May be too late, but here's a couple articles with some good points to ponder. I actually have one of them posted in my cube (from LinkedIn):

    5 Reasons you should never accept a counter offer


    5 Reasons you should never accept a Counter Offer
    Published on August 25, 2017
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    So you?ve decided it?s time for a move, you?ve met with recruiters, you?ve assiduously scoured the market, you?ve interviewed with several different companies and you?ve finally found your next move. The job feels right, the company is great right and the people are a breath of fresh air.

    You hand in your notice, but then something strange happens. Your manager goes pale and defers acceptance of your resignation. They have to speak to their boss. A day goes by, then two, then it?s the weekend. Monday comes around and the Head of the department asks to speak with you? and here it is, the counter offer in all it?s cheap, shameful glory ? awash with excuses and regret.

    Here are 5 reasons you should say thanks, but no thanks.

    1) The Statistics ? According to the National Employment Association, 80% of those who accept counter offers end up leaving within the next 6 months anyway.

    2) The Motive ? what is your employer?s motive for getting you to stay? Is it because they value you or is it because it takes a great amount of time and effort to replace you? The fact that you chose to move in the first place is indicative that you weren?t valued properly. To replace you, your employer is likely going to have to run an exhaustive search, conduct numerous interviews, pay ~ 20% of your salary in recruitment fees not to mention spend hours and hours getting someone new up to speed.

    3) The Trust ? despite the platitudes, the trust is now gone. You?ve got a black mark against your name as someone who isn?t loyal and is a flight risk. If redundancies come, do you think you?ll be towards the bottom or the top of the list of people to go? Trust is a two-way street. Do you really trust that this is a genuine offer? Or is it a temporary measure whilst they come up with a contingency plan. How can you know for sure? You can?t.

    4) The Money ? Where has this miraculous pay rise come from? I?ll tell you where it?s come from, it?s come from your next bonus or your next pay rise. Don?t be surprised to find yourself heavily penalised in the near future. If you ARE going to accept the counter offer, make damn sure it?s at least a 20% increase on your current salary, because that?s the minimum it will cost to replace you.

    5) Self Belief ? Always back yourself. Your actions define you, and you handed in your notice for a reason. You have taken the initiative, don?t now surrender it. Smile, thank your manager, but stick to your guns. They will only respect you for it, and who knows ? perhaps one day you?ll return.

    10 Reasons...

    10 Reasons Why You Should NEVER Accept a Counter Offer When You Resign
    Published on November 9, 2018
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    As a recruiter, I have come across many job seekers who are willing to explore the job market but may not have any apparent reasons to leave their current jobs. These group of job seekers are the most likely to drop-out from a hiring process, even at offer stage, because they are more likely to accept a counter-offer from their current employer. However, is it a wise decision to accept a counter offer? Will the underlying issues that prompted a person to passively explore job opportunities disappear or improve with the counter offer? Or is it all due to fear of change?

    Having spoken to many job seekers and understanding their motivation and needs, these are some common reasons that prompted people to seek new job opportunities, either actively or passively:

    ? Feeling underpaid or unappreciated

    ? Slow or no career progression

    ? Long working hours

    ? Bored with the job scope

    ? Political culture

    ? Bad boss

    ? Distance to work

    Whatever the reasons, as a job seeker, you would have attempted to resolve some of these underlying issues. But certain things are beyond your control, so would the problem disappear after accepting a counter offer from your current employer? Very highly no. Many job seekers who accepted counter-offer would, for various reasons, return within months to start their job search again, because counter-offer is a short-term solution to long-term underlying issues. Statistics have shown that four out of five people who accept counter-offers are gone within the year.

    So, here are the 10 reasons why you should NOT accept a counter offer:

    1. Nothing changes except your salary. The underlying issues that prompted you to consider other job opportunities will remain there ? things and people don?t change overnight.

    2. Your future employer sees a potential in you that your current employer does not see. Taking on a new hire is a risk, for both the employer and employee. If your future employer is willing to take the risk to groom and grow your potential and future, why not seize the opportunity?

    3. Great things never come from staying within your comfort zone. You may feel familiar and comfortable with your current employer, but does it bring you the job satisfaction that you desire? Often, a change will bring growth and transformation.

    4. You have not been paid what you are worth for. If your employer is willing to adjust your salary when you ?threaten? to resign, then your employer is knowingly underpaying you for your talent and efforts, an indication of non-appreciation of their employees.

    5. Are you bringing forward your bonus/promotion/pay rise now rather than when it?s due? Most companies have strict pay scales for each level and position, so you might end up having a lower adjustment when your next pay revision or review is due. Would you be happy then?

    6. Trust likely be broken between you and your current employer. Often, resignation is seen as ?lack of loyalty?, and your current employer may now question if they can count on you, which will limit your future growth.

    7. Your employer may question your convictions knowing now that you can be ?bought?. People who accept a counteroffer often feel that they have been bought rather than rewarded for the work they have done. This dissatisfaction will eventually affect your sense of belonging to the company.

    8. On average, around 80% of those who accept counter offers reignite their job search within 3 months. You may genuinely still do your best for your current employer, but your employer and co-workers may treat you differently now that you have shown a ?lack of loyalty?.

    9. Your ?lack of loyalty? may likely put you at the top of the pile when they are looking to reduce the number of employees when times get tough.

    10. Counter offers are usually just a stalling tactic to give your employer time to find your replacement at a lower salary.

    At the end, if you decide to accept the counter offer, my advice is to get everything you want in writing from your current employer. It is also important to be professional and end things gracefully with your future employer and recruiter that worked with you on the new job opportunity ? it?s a small industry, you never know when you will cross path again.

    There are many many more, and they pretty much all share common themes.

    Google search on the topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentonite View Post
    Suck it - you had your chance asshat.. I think that’s your answer, regardless of his offer. It seems to me that your new employer saw something in you that the old one either didn’t see, or didn’t think he needed to acknowledge and reward, and is only possibly going to offer you something better because he is losing you. Which means he’d be willing to treat you like you like crap, as long as he can get away with it. Also, even if he makes you a great offer, you already left him once, so he’s liable to be somewhat offended and keep it in the back of his mind going forward. The fact that your new boss came after you and demonstrated that you’re valuable to him, makes me think he’s likely to continue that behavior in the future.
    Had a different experience.
    Everyone knew I was applying for a higher position in WY.
    My boss's boss was also applying for the same job.
    I was selected for the top 3 to be interviewed and he wasn't.
    I received a promotion at home within a month and was assigned my own division.
    Sometimes it takes an outsider to help your employer discover your talents.
    My advice: listen, be respectful, don't burn that bridge.
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    Staying for the money never works out as well as it sounds like it will in your head...

    I've seen many folks be fed up and ready to leave, only to stay when their current employer matches or exceeds the offer they are leaving for, and it's miserable for them.

    At least listen to what they have to say, but if they don't comprehend why you were leaving (thinking you're leaving over just money means they don't get it), don't stay. It won't be better...
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    It?s all about being happy.

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    If it wasnt your great grandboss & just your boss, I'd be in complete agreement with the gallery. That word made it to him of your intended departure & he is now making attempt to contact you could mean you have been recognized beyond the daily. While reparations may be too little too late, I'd listen to what he has to say & offer, if that's his intent, before I dismissed it entirely.

    Then tell him why you're leaving. Poit
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