i got my gemtech outback2 on sunday. i went thru dragonman and was very supprised by the great service i got. it was a fairly quick transaction and my form4 was approved and returned in less than 30 days. i have been boycotting dragonman for over ten years, but i am glad to say i gave them a second chance and i will buy from them again. by the way i love the gemtech it has a nice sound and is really light. you can't even tell it is installed when shooting with it.