Homeowner shoots man in FC/publishing CCW holders in 2000

[2ndChildhood]

Uh-oh "Ray shot Ebner once as he was running from the scene"

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs....608290353/1002

Man fires on intruder at home
Shooting victim too ill to explain

Police are saying it is too early to say whether a shooting in south Fort Collins early Monday that put one man in the hospital will fall under Colorado's "make-my-day" law.

David Ebner, 28, was shot shortly before 2 a.m. in the backyard of a house in the 300 block of High Pointe Drive, southeast of the intersection of Horsetooth Road and College Avenue, after homeowner Steven Ray saw him in the backyard, according to Fort Collins police spokeswoman Rita Davis.

Ray, 58, was awakened by barking dogs and tried to turn on the lights.

When the lights wouldn't come on - because of an unrelated power failure - he took a .45 caliber handgun and confronted Ebner in the yard, Davis said in a press release.

The men struggled and Ray shot Ebner once as he was running from the scene, Davis said. Ebner was found 20 minutes later in a vacant lot about 100 yards away.

Ebner is in serious condition in the surgical/neurological intensive care unit at Poudre Valley Hospital. Police have been unable to talk to him because of his condition, Davis said.

There is no fence around Ray's backyard and an irrigation ditch runs along the south side of the gated community.

Ray was not injured during the incident. A 2000 list of concealed-weapon permit holders in Larimer County included Ray's name, but it is not known if he still possesses such a permit.

The "make-my-day" law shields people from criminal and civil penalties if they use force against an intruder they believe poses a threat.

There is no evidence right now that Ebner was trying to break into Ray's house, Davis said.

"We're still trying to figure out what (Ebner) was doing in the backyard," said Davis, who added that the investigation is ongoing.

No one answered the door at either Ray's or Ebner's residence Monday afternoon. A woman who answered the phone in Ebner's hospital room referred all questions to the police.

Ray's neighbor, Julie Knudsen, told the Coloradoan it had been "a very hard day for everyone" before asking the reporter to leave the gated community.

[Merl]

A 2000 list of concealed-weapon permit holders in Larimer County included Ray's name, but it is not known if he still possesses such a permit.

these are public lists? WTF

like saying please google my name and come rob my house during the day if you want some guns.

[7idl]

A 2000 list of concealed-weapon permit holders in Larimer County included Ray's name, but it is not known if he still possesses such a permit.

these are public lists? WTF

like saying please google my name and come rob my house during the day if you want some guns.

+eleventy billion! wtf?

[newracer]

In 2000 the editor of the Fort Collins Coloradoan published the names of more than 600 Larimer County residents who had concealed weapons permits at the time. It is public information but it is not that easy to get.

[b]

There is definately more to the story than is printed. But it doesnt look good for "ray". (if the details are to be believed).

On the CCW issue. This is precicely why I didnt apply for a Colorado permit. With this, and the CCID database, I will stick with my UT thank you very much.

[thedave1164]

The Larimer County sheriff supports a CCW database.......

One of the few beefs I have with the man.

[newracer]

But he also supported and implimented "Shall Issue" in the county before it was CO law.

[JohnTRourke]

he's in big doodoo
Make my day only applies inside the house.
He did not have to go outside to confront the man, he was safe inside his castle.
not smart at all.

[KarlPMann]

WHAT? Dude, you haven't been paying attention too well. Make my day doesn't say ANYTHING about inside the house! :roll: And the courts have already gone there, done that. The now very famous case where the NEIGHBOR, responded to a call for help and shot the bad guy, in the back, running away, unarmed, from "a quarter block away". And the neighbor he saved, a democrat state senator/representative that had just voted against that law. He was found not guilty, and when the bad guy tried to sue, it was dismissed IMMEDIATELY because of that law!!! [poke]

Karl. :P

[Artyboy]

WHAT? Dude, you haven't been paying attention too well. Make my day doesn't say ANYTHING about inside the house! :roll: And the courts have already gone there, done that. The now very famous case where the NEIGHBOR, responded to a call for help and shot the bad guy, in the back, running away, unarmed, from "a quarter block away". And the neighbor he saved, a democrat state senator/representative that had just voted against that law. He was found not guilty, and when the bad guy tried to sue, it was dismissed IMMEDIATELY because of that law!!! [poke]

Karl. :P

I hope that they keep up this precedent :bowdown: