A good reply to a BS e-mail.
Shooting is a hobby as well as a means to protect ones self.
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A good reply to a BS e-mail.
Shooting is a hobby as well as a means to protect ones self.
"I'd rather be a disabled Vet, than no Vet at all"
Maybe we should let him know that Canada would more than welcome his narrow minded arse. It's just a shame that folks are this closed minded and feel the need to lash out at people like us, some professional LE, some current and or Ex MIL and a majority well trained much less skilled with our weapons.
Well he responded and the plot thickens. He signed that email with an alias he is actually in Montreal Canada go figure. I removed his real name from this email since I did not ask his permission to post it publicly.
This is my response I know I'm beating a dead horse but I have to at least make this bozo think.Are you saying that the students should of had firearms at the time to defend themselves, and that it would of avoided the tragedy? That is rediculous. A problem cannot be solved by reinforcing elements which caused the problem in the first place, this is not complicated.
I understand that firearms are used in 'sport' and that some people just like shooting bullets for fun at a target or what have you, but if I had to choose in between getting rid of gun owning all together and avoiding them getting in the hands of dangerous people or the current situation, I would count the loses of the 'sport' instead of loses of life.
The NRA is not wrongful, gun owners who shoot little birds are within the law, but the system still permits deranged individuals to obtain the means to shoot innocent people.
It is important to look at the big picture; guns kill people. Let's wake up and get them out of the hands of civilians at the cost of the 'sport' as you call it.
Two weeks ago Kimveer Gill entered Dawson College, which I attended for three years and is down the street from where I now attend university, and shot students, killing one.
This is what woke me up.
Sinbad xxxxxxxxxx
Montreal, QC
(Now that we are having an indepth discussion, I feel like I should sign non-anonymously)
I never implied that we should arm the students. The faculty should be armed as they are responsible for protecting the students. The very thing you support is what caused the problem in the first place. A criminal with a gun entered a gun free zone what part of that do you not understand? How often do you hear about a criminal entering a police station to take hostages or a gun store? That's right you never hear it because the people in these places are armed and the criminal has no chance of succeeding.
You clearly have not thought this out in a rational manner. You can't get rid of guns no more than you can get rid of drugs. What part of the term "Criminal" do you not understand? These people don't care what the law is they will always find ways to do harm. This is something no law can ever stop. Look at the UK they banned guns and crimes with guns are skyrocketing.
You're correct it is important to look at the big picture People kill People. A gun is an inanimate object it can not kill anybody. People kill people with guns, knives, air planes over 3,000 on September 11th, McVeigh killed 168 people with a Ryder truck and fertilizer, baseball bats, automobiles, poisons, matches etcetera.
Once again a criminal entered Dawson College and shot innocent civilians. These civilians had no way to defend themselves and became easy prey. I carry a gun 24/7 if a criminal tries to harm me I have the means to defend myself. You are advocating taking away my god given right of self preservation. The only people who would abide by a gun ban are the civilians who are not the problem in the first place.
You truly live in a fantasy world if you honestly believe that banning guns would take them away from criminals. In the end each one of us is responsible for our own safety. If you choose to cower in fear and wait for the police to come and draw a chalk line around your body that’s your choice. I and many others choose to defend ourselves and wait for the police to come draw a chalk line around the criminals body.
Tim Feuerstein
Coloradoshooting.org (HunterCO)
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." (Edmund Burke 1784)
everything aside and in what may be a worst case of monday morning type QB'ing...
"we" have only ourselves to blame. raising a society of pvssies. submission vs fighting back at all levels.
there were plenty of people there to overpower that POS and bring things to an end. did we not learn anything from 9/11 ? prior to that day, the SOP for terrorists was to submit and let them go where they wanted and everyone will live.. well we now know that to not be the case. As soon as the one plane found out the real objective, they faught back. Sure they didn't live, but they went out fighting and that is more respectful then cowering in a corner. I quarantee you that the likes of 9/11 will never happen again. people will fight back.
we need to adopt that in everyday society. too often we look the other way when some POS does something stupid or otherwise heinous crime. Time to retake our lives and stand up for what is moraly and ethicly right.
I'd like to also add that my friend has spent lots of time in Isreal.
A good majority of the population is armed to deal with tangos.
the other crimes against humanity, such as the one that happened yeasterday are VERY VERY few in number.
tell me that having firearms in the populace is not a good thing!
I'll let the facts of pre and post CCW stats from the states that have enacted such law speak for themselves.
I sent him this email. Let's see if he writes back. I also attached the quotes from Jeff Cooper
The only people to blame for that shooting are the psycho with the gun and the people who didn't fight back. Why is it that so many high profile shootings happen on school grounds? One reason is because no one is allowed to carry a means of self defense there. They know that they have plenty of time to do all the damage they want before the police arrive. A lot can happen in the time it takes for the cops to get there. Do you want to be completely helpless during that time?
Don't think that we as responsible gun owners believe that a child should be allowed to carry a gun. The teachers should have that option, though. There are 37 states in the US where citizens that apply for a permit have to be approved as long as they meet the training and background check requirements. There are even two states where you can carry without any type of permit. Since adopting concealed carry laws these states have shown a drop in crime. A LOT of Americans carry concealed weapons every day. How often do you hear about these people using them in any situation besides justified self defense? The people who go through the hassle of getting their permit and carrying a gun every day tend to be cautious and responsible. I'm positive that a teacher, who knows that they'll be carrying around their students, will be even more careful when they're carrying.
If people would be more willing to fight back instead of running into a corner and crying until someone comes along to save them then this kind of trajedy might be avoided. At the very least we could gain a little bit of inspiration from the people brave enough to stand up for themselves.
Colonel Jeff Cooper said it best
"Laws are not the answer. We have laws against murder. We have laws against kidnapping. We have laws against extortion. And murder, kidnapping, and extortion are on the rise. The answer, it seems to me, is wrath. Let the thug take his chances with an alert, prepared, and angry citizenry. It may very well spoil his whole career."
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
That’s what I am talking about if that POS would have tried that in Israel he wouldn’t have made it ten feet through the door before somebody lit his A$$ up with an AK47.Originally Posted by 7idl
I don't understand this lay down or you might get hurt mentality. I have people say if I was to get robbed at my shop to just give them the money it's only money. No way in hell that will happen If I get robbed they are going to get a lead dinner courtesy of my G27.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." (Edmund Burke 1784)
It's only money...
I love that reasoning. Usually said by people who only know hunger when they are on a self-imposed diet.
Can I skip paying my taxes? It's only money.
Can I skip paying my mortgage? It's only money.
If I don't pay my taxes men with guns will come and put me in jail.
If I don't pay my mortgage men with guns will come and throw me out of my house.
If it's only money why are the guys with badges allowed to use their guns?
If the money is that important when it's totally non-violent then why should a guy showing me a knife or gun supposed to have more rights to the money I use to pay my taxes and mortgage than I have?
It's only money, then the guy shoots or stabs you to try and make sure you can't testify against him. Maybe he won't. How do I know his intentions, other than to threaten my life?
Brian, Please tell me you aren't blaming the officers at the School!!!! There is only one person to blame. The jerk that did this crime. I understand the statement "let's all trust them to be are only means of protection" but failed or not failed breach they could not sit by and let this go on.
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