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I certainly wont argue against our right to bear arms or our duty to learn how to use them. I thought the concern in this thread was about people who have little or no experience with a firearm getting a CCW...not about their right to get it. I would definitely like to hear more opinions regarding a person with no firearm experience getting a CCW and carrying in public places.
What part of bearing arms and shall not infringe do you not understand?Originally Posted by Atrain
There is nothing about a CCW in the Constitution or BOR.
I didn't have to take any classes for my Colorado CCW. Scary isn't it :mrgreen:
It was harder to get my hunters safety card in colorado than my ccw. :roll:
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I think many of you believe the liberals mantra of gunfights in the street, if the people are not trained.
Heck, some of you would not take the time to show someone else how to safely use a firearm, much less use one to protect someone else.
We really need to get an Appleseed shoot here, to get people back on the right track.
1. If there is someone here that is a member and believes this, I'll be more than suprised.
2. That's just about as offensive as you can really get around here man. I may not know everyone here on a real personal level, but in my time here I've not met a single person who I believe this to be a true statement about. Speaking for myself, I've conducted training for 7 new shooters this year alone, and I don't charge.
3. Hell yeah we need an Appleseed event in Colorado, twice a year if it could be swung!
Oh..I would say there is plenty of elitism in the firearms community
Any group is prone to the them/us mentality and your qualifier "is a member" is just another indication that the "we are good, they are bad" is lurking just below the surface
Don't take that the wrong way....anytime you divide any group...of any size...by any criteria...that is a natural reaction
If you arbitrarily split the group at a club shoot into teams, there would be several people on each team that would be totally convinced that they were better/safer/etc. than the other team...even if they didn;t really know their new teammates they would be totally convinced that they were Da Bomb!
Human nature
In a perfect world everyone would pursue excellence in everything that they do...sadly...we do not live in a perfect world.
Just like when I see bad driving, bad gunhandling makes me want to avoid that person rather than mentoring them
And most people feel like genetics will allow them to operate either in a safe manner
Especially men...since most of us act like any critical review of our gunhandling is an attack on our manhood :-)
But just like your qualifications might not meet my qualifications...etc....
Nobody that is a member here thinks the government going to do a good job making the determination :P
I actually used the term member because of the audience, but that's a minor detail.
You are fairly right in your general assessment of sterotypical human behavior assesment. It's a socialization behavior that is programed socially and dare I say an evolutionary trait.
I know when I took the "manditory" saftey class - NRA basic pistol - that I was less than impressed with the matierial as it related to the responsibility that a CCW holder in today's society actually has.
I don't think we need the level or number of laws we have regarding guns. But I don't mind that folks are required to do something that most wouldn't do on their own. Much like I don't disagree with minors between 16 and 18 being requied to take drivers ed or have to drive supervised for 6-9 months before getting a license to drive.
Society needs regulation to mitigate human behavior and conduct. Then again I firmly believe that an armed society is a polite society.. oddly that doesn't seem to apply to being armed in a behind the wheel kinda way.
Sorry if my manner has offended some here on the board, but this really bugs me.
Driving is not a God given right with specific mention in the Bill of Rights, gun ownership is.
We can go round and round, but when I hear stories like the one related by the OP, I cringe.
Too many people will accept gov regulation before they will get off their backside and get their hands dirty. With all of the OP's qualifications, he should have offered to give some followup instruction for those less knowledgeable.
We do not live in a perfect world, and sometimes we can only make a difference in our little sphere of influence.
I admit, I have felt the same and reacted the same in similar circumstances, but had a fellow dress me down much the same as I have here. It has made a difference in my attitude towards beginners and newbies in the gun world.
If I have managed to give anyone a new perspective, then it has been worth it.
We shouldn't have to receive 'permission' from the government to arm ourselves. Self preservation is a natural right, and the right to do so with a firearm is an American right guaranteed by the Constitution.
I don't know of anyone in this group that would be unwilling to help someone learn how to responsibly and safely use a firearm.
Liberals never met a slippery slope they didn't grease.
-Me
I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
-Also Me
True that, just to add... The way of the old west, and the times when little johhny knew at age 6 how to operate the shotgun hanging over the fireplace, are gone.
Nowadays, it is coming full circle, back to people arming themselves, which is good, but since most of them havent ever owned a gun, or held one, they need training. Perhaps what we have is fine, but maybe some non-profit organizations can offer some training apart from what is "required".
I'm always eager to teach people offline about firearms if they express an interest.
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