Not sure i feel safer now or not.....

[thedave1164]

Guys,

I am not against training, I am all for it.

I am against it being a requirement in order to exercise our rights.

As has already been discussed here the "requirements" fall woefully short as it is today. So it really is just about control, not about safety.

I am against the requirement of a hunters safety course before being able to hunt. Yet I support hunter safety and promote it. Again it is about control, not really about safety.

And don't even get me started about Licensing.......

Oh well, while it is on my mind...

A license is a legal authorization to do something that would normally be illegal. Think about that for a bit. A permit is pretty much the same.

[Obiwan]

Training is something everyone should want to do

But a requirement for it is, in essence, a tax.

Imagine the outrage if you had to have training to vote

Sure it might be a good idea for the citizens of Florida (or Denver) but you would immediately hear that it was a ruse to dicriminate against the poor

And any class that could turn out a truly safe and skilled shooter would not be $75 (or one night)

I have taught a lot of newbies and in my humble opinion attitude is everything (in life...not just shooting)

Some people are simply too cavalier about weapons (and everything else)

There are some very experienced shooters out there that don't take weapon handling, and skills seriously enough

Too many see a weapon as some kind of talisman that will cause them to be invincible. They don't feel that practice is required, after all...they read all the gun rags

And I am not certain how you would license attitude

I for one would rather see relatively untrained people that respect weapons and see it as another tool in the toolbox (right next to running away) rather than some rambo wannabee that is always going to default to his pistol and then try to use the Constitution to justify whatever bonehead move he decides to make

But I reject any effort to try to figure out, in advance...who is who

There is a big difference between being able to shoot and knowing how to fight with a firearm

A little training/practice can render you able to shoot...some might even be able to do reasonably well with no practice..I have seen some natural shots

Anyone interested in fighting with a handgun/long gun will belearning for the rest of their lives

SO who gets a CCW?

[BadShot]

Well, there is a slight training requirement for voting.. believe it or not... it's called reading, and oddly we require all children to attend schooling. Hmm, tax on voting.. I think not.

What this comes down to for me is the societal differences between now and when the 2nd was written. There STILL is not a requirement other than the background check (not even that really) - dare ya to disagree with me on that being an excellent idea - to keep and bear arms.

For all the new shooters I've trained this year, they get a minimum of several hours of conversation about weapons in general and their needs in detail. They have all gotten at least 4 hours and around 500 rounds of range time. I have followed that up with 3 of them to another 8 or 10 hours and another 1000-1500 rounds. I think give them a very detailed talk about their responsibilities and the need to keep on shooting at least 500 rounds a month of their going to be carrying and at least 250 a month of it's just for home protection.

I speak with novice shooters all the time, I'm always an active proponent of the 2nd amendment any where I am. I'm always amazed at the shift in their view of me from a crazed gun nut to that guy that really has a clue about their new found joy in shooting.

The comments have been made about it really being our responsibility to constantly reach out to all level of shooters. I strongly believe in that and practice it all of the time just like we all should.

Yet I will not back down from the fact that people who don't know diddly about guns should be educated. If that means that they have to take a class, then so friggen be it. I consider myself a fairly experienced shooter and still took the class I needed for my CCW. Did I learn a whole lot, not even close, but I did learn and I'm a better shooter, gun owner and advocate because of it.

The fact still remains that the laws are there, if anyone feels so strongly about the constriction of our 2nd amendment rights and wants to do something about it... drive on baby, drive on.. hell I'll be one of the first in line to step up and help. If you're just going to sit on the side line and bitch about the erosion of your 2nd amendment rights, I'll continue to laugh at you and take what you have to say with absolutely no value or interest. Put your money where your mouth is or STFU. As a very wise man once told me... bring me your problems any time, but you damn well better bring a solution along as well!

[Obiwan]

You have to be able to read to vote......hmmmm...gotta check that

I voted this year and sure...I read the ballot...but I don't think it was required???

Nobody thinks training is a bad thing...quite the opposite in fact

And I believe that the requirement is that ALL applicatnts take a "class"

Not just those that are not aquainted with Diddly

Don't get me wrong...I am actually someone that thinks mandatory military service would be a good thing...and yes, it would include weapons familiarization.

I just draw the line at requiring it

I have known cops that are not gun guys and shudder at the thought of being around them if they ever need to use their weapon

And they have had substantially more training than the law requires for CCW

So by all means support some feel-good training requirement...just don't fool yourself into thinking it accomplishes much

[Gman]

If you're too poor to pay for whatever "class" or "certification" the government deems necessary, then what? The 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to you?

Comparing the 2nd Amendment to a drivers license? Seriously?

The government can "ensure civility and societal responsibility"? We have laws that establish language defining crimes and penalties, but there is still crime. Do you think the government gives a crap that someone has fathered 8 children with 8 different women?

If accidental shootings were more common, I might think there was something to this discussion. I would appreciate the government spending more effort on enforcing the existing laws and going after criminals.

[KarlPMann]

Well, there is a slight training requirement for voting.. believe it or not... it's called reading,

[roll] Yeah right. You say that for one reason only, you can read. NO IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT! They will read the entire thing to you if they have to, or you can bring your own person to help. While I voted, an elderly woman was having her granddaughter read her hers because her eyes were too bad. Sorry. Karl.

[Obiwan]

Nor are we funding public education simply so people can read ballots

Although I did hear that several areas had bilingual ballots :cry:

The best news is that most non "gun-people" are unlikely to ever use their weapon

And the really bad ones will be lucky if said weapon will work

I have seen enough ND's in training over the years to realize that joe average will be hard pressed to even operate his sidearm if/when TSHTF