Not sure i feel safer now or not.....

[Atrain]

Gangbangers have no training requirement.

..and just look at how many innocent people they kill when they shoot at rival gang members [poke]

Look, this is an interesting topic and I don't necessarily disagree with you. I agree that we shouldn't have to get a permit to carry. That CCW class was a joke. I also agree with you that we have a responsibility to know how to use a firearm, especially one that we carry for self defense.

I guess where we differ is that I have concerns about those people who do not take carrying a firearm seriously. I know there are tons of people out there carrying who have little/no shooting experience, who carry around a brand new gun they haven't shot much, who carry a gun they can't hit the broad side of a barn with, who have physical problems or are taking medication that affect their shooting abilities.

I guess I think about these irresponsible people deciding to shoot around someone I love and that concerns me.

[PhL0aTeR]

and gang members get quite a bit of training as well..... moreso than the average citizen. speaking from experience, ive known prison inmates who learned at a very young age how to shoot, clean, (and even rapidly dispose of lol), a firearm....

[7idl]

there was just a deal on tv on the increasing number of sh!theads that are getting training in the military and bringing those skills back to their slums and teaching thier idiot "friends".

[robsterclaw]

Gangbangers have no training requirement.

..and just look at how many innocent people they kill when they shoot at rival gang members [poke]

I advocate mandatory training for gangbangers so they hit the other sh@theads their aiming at! :twisted:

[Obiwan]

Col. Cooper suggested supplying them with lots of ammo :-)

[BadShot]

Well how simple can your friggen mind get.... This has grown to a level of F$%KING stupidity... You're rights... you're rights... FFS, we don't live in the society that had 5 year olds running around with their own .22's any more. Most people in America live in urban centers, not on farms or in the boonies. The people in these urban centers, more likely than not have not even held a firearm and you think it's just friggen peachy... because it's their right.. to turn them lose with a gun?

Get off your friggen "It's my right" high horse and come back down here where reality hangs out.

I still associate this to cars.. yeah brain child I know driving isn't a right, but it is a presumed privilege.. so if we take your stance, we shouldn't require anyone to have to be educated about the safe operation of a vehicle, or what the rules - read laws - are?

Unfortunately, militant "It's my right" fools making blanket, unrealistic and unyielding comments such as yours are the exact reason the Liberal Left even gains leverage with the uninformed.

Why the hell you think that people should just figure it out on their own, or apply the oxymoronic "common sense" to firearms is well and obviously beyond my ability to grasp.

Now don't you DARE assume that I want to forgo my right to keep and bear arms.. or to arm bears for that fact. I believe in that and the rest of the rights we as Americans have, but if you cannot accept that the rest of America thinks there needs to be controls and laws that allow that right but ensure civility and societal responsibility, then you need to stop sniffing glue and get some fresh "reality based" air.


Yeah.. this is really annoying me if you didn't figure that out.

[thedave1164]

Well how simple can your friggen mind get.... This has grown to a level of F$%KING stupidity... You're rights... you're rights... FFS, we don't live in the society that had 5 year olds running around with their own .22's any more. Most people in America live in urban centers, not on farms or in the boonies. The people in these urban centers, more likely than not have not even held a firearm and you think it's just friggen peachy... because it's their right.. to turn them lose with a gun?

Get off your friggen "It's my right" high horse and come back down here where reality hangs out.

I still associate this to cars.. yeah brain child I know driving isn't a right, but it is a presumed privilege.. so if we take your stance, we shouldn't require anyone to have to be educated about the safe operation of a vehicle, or what the rules - read laws - are?

Unfortunately, militant "It's my right" fools making blanket, unrealistic and unyielding comments such as yours are the exact reason the Liberal Left even gains leverage with the uninformed.

Why the hell you think that people should just figure it out on their own, or apply the oxymoronic "common sense" to firearms is well and obviously beyond my ability to grasp.

Now don't you DARE assume that I want to forgo my right to keep and bear arms.. or to arm bears for that fact. I believe in that and the rest of the rights we as Americans have, but if you cannot accept that the rest of America thinks there needs to be controls and laws that allow that right but ensure civility and societal responsibility, then you need to stop sniffing glue and get some fresh "reality based" air.


Yeah.. this is really annoying me if you didn't figure that out.

LOL

Sniffing glue, thats funny, I have never abused any drugs in my entire life.

As to my rights, they are absolute, as are yours and everybody elses. Whether you or any one else makes the choice to exercise them is neither here nor there. Once again, with rights you have responsibilities, but obviously you have decided to let .gov do that for you.

It is not .gov's responsibility to decide who gets to exercise their GOD given rights, depending on their being qualified to do so.

[Atrain]

Come on Dave, you know how it works these days.

A CCW person in CO misses the BG and hits a little girl. The news media has a frenzy about CCW's and reports how you can go to a simple 3 hour lecture and get one without ever firing a gun. The majority of society, who could care less about this right, assumes none of us have fired a gun before...and we are made out to be dangerous, unskilled people carrying guns that shoot little girls on accident. Then our God given right gets more resticted or taken away completely.

I feel that is a realistic scenario because we are a minority. It seems to me that by having no minimum standards, we are vulnerable...making it easy for some irresponsible idiot to ruin it for the rest of us.

Should we just wait and see what happens?

[Great-Kazoo]

when i teach/instruct someone who wants to obtain a CCW, i spend a min. of 3 hrs range time with them.
there are some folks who have no business owning a gun, let along carrying one. some i have encountered who fall into the later catagory i suggest they find another way to defend themself.
to some this is being elitest. the ones i made this comment to thanked me for my time and did not pursue it any further.
i am a strong advocate of firearms training/instruction. and feel a X hr class, plus minimal range time is good for basics. however carrying should require much more hands on then that.

[HunterCO]

As to my rights, they are absolute, as are yours and everybody elses. Whether you or any one else makes the choice to exercise them is neither here nor there. Once again, with rights you have responsibilities, but obviously you have decided to let .gov do that for you.

It is not .gov's responsibility to decide who gets to exercise their GOD given rights, depending on their being qualified to do so.

+1

Nice to see sombody else understands the intent of our founding fathers. [usa]