Quote Originally Posted by HunterCO

It must be a figment of me and every other tech and shop owners imagination. I have only done four of them so far none of them were in bad wrecks. I will give you a hint you can't tell by looking at it. I am not a big guy and I can carry a navigator frame by myself. They are about as rugged as a pop can.


I said F150 when refering to the brakes. The pads on a F150 are much smaller than the pads on my little Tacoma. They don't last long even if I put ceramics on them.


I have changed many of them over the last 20 years and I do not find it difficult. Some cars it's easier than others but not a big deal to me. I don't work on just one car as you do I work on them all. The only thing I don't work on at my shop is most of the euro cars like BMW, Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar ect.


It's not speculation it's a fact I seen with my own eyes being a tech for the last 20 years. Yes there can and will be lemons with any car I am talking about the majority of them. There is a reason Toyota and Honda are and have been the two top rated cars for needing the least amount of repairs. They have been the top two for over ten years.


I deffinately can't argue with that some people just destroy cars no matter what it is.
A Navigator frame seems just as rugged as a F-series frame, as that's what it's built on, no? Why would you replace an entire frame (if that's what you're talking about), isn't that about the point a vehicle is totaled? I've replaced plenty of suspension sub-frames over the years, maybe I'm just misunderstanding you. Can it not be straightened on a frame machine?

Toyota and Honda have been at the top of the heap (no pun intended) for many many years. I won't deny that, nor did I ever dispute it. In fact I reccomend Toyota and Honda cars on a daily basis. Yes, I do work on many other vehicles, but specializing in one or two makes allows us to be very selective, so we don't have to work on old junk cars. I also do a bunch of high-performance stuff as well. Oh yeah, the other make we specialize in is Honda. We're probably 80% Volvo, but we do a lot of Hondas too.


So you like your Toyota. That's fine. I'm sure you think it's a great truck. Your input will not change my opinion, as I'm sure mine won't change yours. But here goes anyway. I find them unrefined, underpowered, too little towing capacity, and too small. The Tundra (I work on four or five of these by the way) are better, but I'd still buy an F series. But that's my opinion, and it only matters to me. My F350 hauls a 32 ft. Toy Hauler up Vail pass at 65 mph. Try that in a smaller truck.

You seem to have a deep-rooted distain for domestic vehicles. That's fine. My whole point in this debate was the fact that indeed there are some folks out there who like their domestics, and have had really good luck with them. I'm not trying to start trouble here, but I was asked my opinion and I seem to be talked down to here, even though you know nothing about me.

We can agree to disagree. [wink]

No hard feelings, eh?