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A Navigator frame seems just as rugged as a F-series frame, as that's what it's built on, no? Why would you replace an entire frame (if that's what you're talking about), isn't that about the point a vehicle is totaled? I've replaced plenty of suspension sub-frames over the years, maybe I'm just misunderstanding you. Can it not be straightened on a frame machine?

No it can not be straightened or I should say it should not be. It is a hydroformed frame and I am not going to even try to begin and explain it I don't feel like typing that much. Ford will even tell you that it needs to be replaced. Understand that GM, Toyota, Chrysler and many others also use hydroform frames but they don't have the problems of the navigator. For 2007 Ford re-designed the navigator frame they claim it is for other reasons but me as well as the rest of the shops who have replaced frame after frame know the real reason. [wink]

Toyota and Honda have been at the top of the heap (no pun intended) for many many years. I won't deny that, nor did I ever dispute it. In fact I reccomend Toyota and Honda cars on a daily basis. Yes, I do work on many other vehicles, but specializing in one or two makes allows us to be very selective, so we don't have to work on old junk cars. I also do a bunch of high-performance stuff as well. Oh yeah, the other make we specialize in is Honda. We're probably 80% Volvo, but we do a lot of Hondas too.


So you like your Toyota. That's fine. I'm sure you think it's a great truck. Your input will not change my opinion, as I'm sure mine won't change yours. But here goes anyway. I find them unrefined, underpowered, too little towing capacity, and too small. The Tundra (I work on four or five of these by the way) are better, but I'd still buy an F series. But that's my opinion, and it only matters to me. My F350 hauls a 32 ft. Toy Hauler up Vail pass at 65 mph. Try that in a smaller truck.

Hence why I said the only American vehicle I would own would be a full size truck. If you need something to pull a 32 ft. trailer you have no choice. America has the market cornered as far as full size trucks that can pull a house.

You seem to have a deep-rooted distain for domestic vehicles. That's fine. My whole point in this debate was the fact that indeed there are some folks out there who like their domestics, and have had really good luck with them. I'm not trying to start trouble here, but I was asked my opinion and I seem to be talked down to here, even though you know nothing about me.

Wrong as I said in my earlier posts to each their own I have no problem with anybody owning anything they want. I just was dispelling two myths #1 American cars are American made is a fallacy. #2 American cars are just as dependable as foreign cars another fallacy. This entire thread came to be because MrWill is looking for a car to drive the hell out of for work. Out of the choices he gave me and several others said get the Subaru. (This was in another thread)

I have a Harley it would be like me saying that my Harley was more dependable and had more power than a rice bike. That would be a complete lie although I would never in a million years take a rice bike over my Harley. It vibrates leaks oil no matter how damn hard I try to stop it. Because of the vibration parts tend to fall off going down the road sometimes LMAO [abused] . It is my choice and I will never park my A$$ on any bike ever again that is not a Harley. The point I am making is I will also not try to BS people and say it is more dependable or has more power than a rice bike.

We can agree to disagree. [wink]

No hard feelings, eh?

This is the internet and no there is no hard feelings I am sure we will meet at some point and shoot together. So get your A$$ to a shoot already. Unless you already have and I just didn't know it... [blackeye] [wink]