Marlin,

There were a few more than two of us there. I was there, but not in your area.

What "we" think of when cleaning up the "shooting area" is where you were (i.e. the small canyon a 1/4 mile up from the trailhead the 4x4s use). When "they" think of the shooting area, they are thinking of the area where you can either turn and go up the hill or the very base of carnage canyon.

They don't give a damn about anything except keeping carnage canyon open so they can tear the living crap out of a few miles worth or stream bed. They then want to blame people shooting on their misdeeds.

Really, I won't go out of my way to help them one bit anymore. If you read what is generally posted on CO4x4, they want shooting banned becasue that area should be for the exclusive (mis)use of wheelers.

Basically, most of them despise people shooting. They want scape goats.

The real problem is the college kids in that area.

I won't go the lefthand because it is so damn un-safe.

-Dana