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    So I'm walking to my truck at 0630 and a guy is walking his dog through the complex, i got within 10' of the dog and it barked and charged with teeth bearing hair standing tail up and ears erect. The dog and owner were directly in front of my parking spot.

    The owner had the leash tight in his hand, but he had to work to keep the dog in place.

    I will be talking with the management here about this.

    It made me think, would I be legal to draw if the owner had an obviously aggressive dog? Or would i have to wait till it was off the leash?

    The dog was probably 85lbs well built all golden color short hair with a slightly curved tail. It was dark, and i was concentrating on the leash movements.

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    My wife and I were out hiking in Pike National Forest. A couple with 2 dogs had parked their Jeep off the side of the trail near a nice stream. The dogs were just roaming around.

    One of the dogs (black lab) spotted us and came toward us very aggressively. I put my hand on my Glock and loudly instructed the dog to go away.

    The dog owners paid zero attention to the dog, or us, or any of the commotion.

    It turned into a non-issue. My wife gave me a bunch of crap about it at the time, and still brings it up.

    I'd have had zero remorse about shooting the dog though.

    Mike

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    This is the reason I don't own an aggresive dog. Right now my back fence is down. Me and the neighbor are working on putting a new one up and his young boy 4 yrs old is always out back playing. I let the dog out and half the time they play I don't understand people with aggresive dogs. I am the one who will decide when it's time to be aggresive not my dog.

    If you feel your life is in danger then you have the right to defend yourself. My only problem with dogs is that sometimes people are pussies and afraid of them to begin with. My dog one time ran out the front door and up to a lady walking by she was just playing and barked, Scared the hell out of her. ops: I appologized.

    I just always worry that in a situation (like my dog above) that if somebody shot my dog I can gaurentee you 100% I would without any hesitation shoot them dead.

    In your situation I would have to say that you had a right to be prepared to defend yourself. The dog was on a leash and even if the owner struggled he did keep the dog from attacking you so no way you could have shot legally. Since the owner was struggling to keep the dog under control and there was a possibility he could have lost that control I would say I might have drawn just not took aim and probably kept it out of sight to the best of my ability. If any time your unsure best to be ready than caught by surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HunterCO
    if somebody shot my dog I can gaurentee you 100% I would without any hesitation shoot them dead.
    That reminds me. We have cats. We have a normal, probably 5' wooden fence. We live inside city limits.

    If a dog / fox / coyote / hawk / whatever is killing my cat in the backyard, can I legally shoot it?

    Mike

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    Another (I hope) related topic -- what's the etiquette with regard to being bitten by dogs of friends / acquaintances?

    Obviously, you don't want to kill or permanently harm the canine, but it seems important to impress upon them that biting the guests isn't kosher.

    Mike

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    1} Harm My dog, You'll be begging Me to shoot You. Tim, will let You off easy. :twisted:

    2} Depends on the severity of the bite. Dozer will get a little nippy from time to time, Just grab Him by the snout push His lip up into His teeth and say "NO",He'll look at You with hurt feelings for a couple of seconds, and stop. I'm sure it's the same with many other dogs. It won't bother Me a bit if You do it. Maybe, one of these days He'll learn not to do it.
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    For what it's worth i grew up where there were no leash laws, dogs came and went with few problems. I've never had to shoot a dog in defense. I've smacked on or two. I've been nipped plenty of times, clawed by cats, etc.

    I know an aggressive dog when i see it. As i said, hair standing up, ears and tail up, showing teeth and charging. It was not even in a defensive posture.

    Funny thing is my hand went to my pocket knife first. I remember thinking "hey stupid, other pocket"

    I didn't even flash anything. but if the dog went off the leash, i'd have been forced to take care of it. Though i would have ended up bit, a dog can clear 10' very fast. I was ready to give it my left forearm to chew on, i was wearing my company jacket anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael_aos
    Quote Originally Posted by HunterCO
    if somebody shot my dog I can gaurentee you 100% I would without any hesitation shoot them dead.
    That reminds me. We have cats. We have a normal, probably 5' wooden fence. We live inside city limits.

    If a dog / fox / coyote / hawk / whatever is killing my cat in the backyard, can I legally shoot it?

    Mike
    Everything sounds like game to me except the hawk they are a bird of prey and federally protected. I don't know the laws regarding that.

    Not to hijack Wulf202's thread he had an aggressive dog come at him and he as well as every one of us has the god given right to defend ourselves.

    I will also add that if my dog ever attacked anybody and they shot her in self defense I would be very upset to say the least, but would not hold it against them. We each have our own right to self preservation just make sure it is the right decision or you can and will pay the consequences.

    My dog would never attack anybody back to my original post (Unless of course you have feathers then it's on) :mrgreen:
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    i live in the sticks. shooting dogs out here is fair game. my neighbor shot my dog 200 yards out because it went on his property. i'm glad i was not home at the time as it would have turned ugly. shooting a dog is ok as i had no recourse to my problem. i'm not sure how you would stand in the city shooting a dog on a leash though.

    i know it's not the dogs fault but when my neighbors dog crosses my fence i will be returning the favor.

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    As long as the owner was trying to control the dog I would back off. If they lost control and the dog came at me. Different situation.

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