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Once I figure out how to do a PM, I will!
Do you know if you can "change" a trust, say if you had someone that would inherit, but they passed on, and you needed to add someone else?
If so, then i will go this route for sure.
A tactical nuke -- that would be what, a destructive device?
It's your trust... you can change whatever you want, whenever you want.Originally Posted by sniper7
You can also take stuff out and sell it as you wish (just make sure you remove it from the trust), and you can add as many items as you wish.
My first .45 suppressor I had the form filled out to me only. The sheriff signed off on it no problem.
My next 2 suppressors I put on a trust. This is the way I will do it from now on. I just got quicken will maker and made the trust up like that. There are posts on this on silencertests.com
Make sure it is a revocable trust.
You can name the trust anything you want. You could literally name it the "bad *** toy" trust if you so desired.
My trust name has my name and my fathers name in it. But since I put my first suppressor filed just to me. My father can not handle that suppressor unless I'm around. Where as the one on the trust, either of us can take it where ever we want.
If you need any help, I can shoot you an E-mail of a general trust. You can re-type it (cause they are pictures) and have the trust for your self. I altered it a little bit.
rydercurryATgmail.com (replace the AT with @)
Awesome! I will be doing this then! I'll shoot you can email once I finish this up.
I got my CCW paperwork and prints done today no problem, but had to drop off the ATF forms to the Sherrif to have put on his desk. He is supposed to call me, but we will see if that happens or not. I hope I didn't screw up by leaving the forms with him.
As far as naming who can handle the firearms, you put you and your dad. Is it limited to 2, or could I name my mom or my friend or my girlfriend?
What is a revocable trust vs. a non-revocable trust? I could probably guess it, but I would rather hear it from someone who knows.
Thanks for the info.
I wanted to share with all of you the question this guy e-mailed me and my answers. Maybe to help clear some confusion with trusts:
Here is what he E-mailed:
Hi,
I saw your post answering some of my questions about trusts. I posted again on there with more questions, but I have some more as well?
I am trying to get a trust started, but I just want to make sure i do it the right way and everything is legal.
I want to name my dad on the trust, and possibly my mom. Is there a limit on the amount of people that can be on the trust?
I would probably just stop with the 3 of us and that would be it...really, I don't even think I would put my mom on there, but my question still remains.
As far as naming the trust, do you have to name it co-inciding with the people who will be on the trust, or are they listed somewhere else other than the actual name of the trust?
And you said revocable vs. non-revocable? What is the difference and what does each mean?
What program did you say you used, and where did you get it?
Once the trust is created with the program, what steps need to be taken to get it filed so everything is legal and no problems will be had when the paperwork is submitted to the ATF, or if you were to be checked my a LEO?
Anything else would be greatly appreicated!
Thanks,
-------Here is my reply E-mail-------
(PS I sent him an e-mail with detailed pictures of a trust)
I just sent you an email with many pictures, let me know if you got it, and you can see the pictures...
A trust is legal. You will send it to the ATF, and they will review it before giving you the $200 stamp.
I named my trust the "my name" and "my dad's name" revocable trust because I wanted our names to be on the trust.
The whole trust thing is a "gray area" in the ATF world.
But I do know that some people on silencertest.com have named their trust some funny names. Some use there online alias screen names for their trusts.
When you read the e-mail I sent you before, that is what a guy on AR-15.com had. I altered it a bit and had some more info added like a section for those who could handle the trust property. On this page I named any body who I would ever Imagine I would let borrow the suppressor overnight. Like my best friend/ dad's best friend, and what not. I don't know how well this would hold up in court, and I have not practiced this, but I put it in there none the less.
There is no limit of who you can put on the trust because there is no written documentation from ATF on how trust can be written. (I'm sure some day some one will ask about and ATF will look into the issue more and make the rules much more strict)
Some people on silencertests.com also started a corporation. And if they want a friend to borrow the suppressor, they add that person as a business member of the corp.
The trust route is easier though cause it is free, and you can move to another state and it is still valid.
revocable means that the trust can be changed. a nonrevocable trust means that it can never EVER be changed.
So for example: I bought a .308 suppressor. and put it on a trust. then months later i got a .22 suppressor. Well I just changed the revocable trust to add the new suppressor in and submitted that new trust to the ATF.
If I had a non revocable trust, I would have had to start a new trust for it seperatley.
Also with a revocable, you can change the members in it if you wanted.
I used quicken willmaker. office depot sells it, but the previous e-mail will show you what it will print out for you.
To make the trust official, you will have to go to a bank and have them notarize the document, costs like $5-10. and each time you change it, you will have to re-notarize it.
The LEO/ Sherriff will never go to your house because they don't know that you have it. Like I said before, my first can I had the LEO sign off on it. It was a pain in the butt to drive down there, drop it off, get finger printed/photo, pick it up, plus now they have record that I have a suppressor. Now I just change my trust, notary and send it off to ATF, the sheriff was never involved for my "trust" suppressors.
Let me know any other questions you have.
I finally got around to editing my trust to take out all my personnal info, and I sent it to sniper 7.
If anyone else wants this, shoot me a PM and I will get your e-mail address.
Sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.
Doing this kind of thing without professional advice is akin to doing brain surgery on yourself.
IMO it's worth the money to pay a professional for this kind of thing.
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