suppresor ratings or comparisons?

[Wulf202]

I'm hoping to be able to afford a couple of suppressors in the near future.

With all the makes and models, is there one better than another?

I'd be interested in; .22lr, .223, 9mm, .30 rifle, .45

The only thing i've come up with is that the manufacterers have no set way of measuring DB reduction, so i can't trust their claims.

I'm looking at;
reliability/quality
performance
ease of use/maintenance
cost

There are differances between non f/a and f/a rated, what are they?

I'll be going the corp route.

[MPfiveengineer]

It seems like the larger suppressor manufactures can afford to build a better product than a garage operation. I am partial to SWR, AAC and Gemtech (in that order). SRT also makes some good rifle cans. The * means I either have one of theese or have one in transfer.

my picks:

for a .22lr
1) SWR Warlock (well made, VERY quiet, excellent customer service)*
2) AAC Pilot or Aviator (both great cans, the difference between the two is that the Aviator has 2 more baffles and therefore quieter)
3) Gemtech Outback II (well made and cheapest of the bunch)

for a .223
1) AAC M4-1000 (excellent price, very well made, the leader in this category by far unless you are going to be doing dumps through a belt gun)
2) YHM Phantom (great suppression, good price, was best deal in this category until the M4-1000)*
3) Gemtech HALO (good suppression, uses standard A2 flash hidder as a mount)

9mm
1) SWR Trident (Versatile, great customer service) *
2) AAC EVO 9 ( probably the best 9mm pistol can on the market)
3) SWR Shadow (excellent pistol can)

.30 rifle
1) SWR Omega 30
2) AAC 7.62-SD
2) AAC Cyclone

.45
1) AAC Blackbox
2) SWR HEMS II
3) AAC EVO45

I did not write about the .30 or .45 cans because I do not own one and most of my recommendation is based on things I have read. But, I have shot a couple of .30 rifle cans and a .45 SWR HEMS 1 & 2. 45's do not suppress too well due to the size of the bore and are disappointingly loud to me.

Are you looking for a .22lr can for FA? If so I would look at the Tactical Innovations cans and the AAC Prodigy since they can be taken apart and cleaned.


FA Rated cans are usually made of materials that can withstand higher temps and stronger to withstand the pressures associated with a SBR.

[shrapmetal]

http://silencertests.com/reviews/lis...tby=suppressed

this site has alot of info. by the way i'm a gemtech man, im sure as long as you stay with the bigger companies you will be happy.

[shrapmetal]

heres a question for the can nuts? why can't i seem to find a can for my 50? it seems like they don't want to sell them unless im a LEO.

[TactAdv]

heres a question for the can nuts? why can't i seem to find a can for my 50? it seems like they don't want to sell them unless im a LEO.

Let me establish some bona fides here by giving a bit of full disclosure before I answer your question.

Prior to establishing my own armaments design company I was an integral part of Gemtech for over a decade. Significant elements of my patent-pending designs for both internal suppression structures and for suppressor mounting systems are prominently used in several of the current Gemtech catalog offerings including the Blackside, UMP, HVT, G5 and also the Stormfront supppressor for .50BMG caliber Barrett applications.

To answer your specific question, the majority of mfgrs do not wish to expose themselves to the potential liabilities for the uncontrolled end uses of such products. It's pretty simple. The particular cartridge you are talking about can be lethally dangerous if not properly employed. There are not likely to be any "minor" incidents or accidents if something goes wrong.

Additionally, there are too varied a range of commercial offerings in the host weapons alone. Not all these gun designs are, shall we say, reassuring in their displayed engineering elements for starters. To attempt to offer a "universal" suppressor for adapting to a wide range of host guns again brings up the liability discussion due to the observed problems with many of the guns themselves. There is no industry-standard muzzle threading pattern, just as one instance of problem for starters. The competent suppressor manufacturers in the industry have made their own decisions by way of establishing some de factor baseline standards of acceptable host weapons, with the Barrett M107(M82A1) being the most accepted for various technical and business reasons, not the least of which is that host weapons system represents about the only really financially viable outlet for recouping the extensive costs of development of such products. Without a clearly visible end market, there is simply no sound business reasons to attempt to offer such products where the potentially suitable applications are so minimal in numbers when compared to the militarily standarized Barrett gun.

Technically, even the Barret is a challenging application for various reasons, but the inherent design there at least affords a suitable starting point. One of the more serious issues with these large cartridge guns is one of recoil, obviously. Normally speaking a suppressor makes a tremendous counter to recoil, assuming it is properly designed and manufactured in concert with a proper mounting system used. When you get to .50BMG though, all that begins to go out the window as virtually ALL these gun designs rely almost completely upon massive gas mass deflections via an effective muzzle brake to allow safe operation at the users shoulder. Bolt action designs, especially, are a rather large bitch to try to deal with from the recoil enhancements in particular. If you remove the brake, the designs become unsafe to fire in the man-portable role. Eye retina detachments and fractured collar and shoulder bones are quite common as a result; it's not a joking matter. Substituting a suppressor does not always equal the effectiveness of the former brake, either. NO suppressor design can deal with the same mass of propellant gasses as do the brakes, it's simply an issue of basic physics, at least no design that would not be so physically large as to cumbersome and undesired. In order to effectively deal with the same mass of gasses, a suppressor would need so large an internal working volume as to be rendered many feet long and weigh accordingly. The best current suppressors are viable for use only with the understanding that in relation to the original muzzle brake, felt recoil will be increased by several levels of magnitude at the users shoulder. There are other devices which in combination can result in a restored balance of felt recoil.

Not many suppressor manufacturers are interested as a result, and those that are have undergone a competent risk assessment of the market value of open commercial sales and have largely concluded that potential sales benefits of a few units sold do not outweigh the potential loss risks with so many significant factors involved. True too, the pure production costs of suppressors of this design magnitude mitigate against any serious thoughts of "stocking them on the shelf" to see who wants one, almost all MIL grade units of this caliber are built to order with significant minimum order quantities with required upfront payments in order to begin a production run.

-TomH

[HunterCO]

heres a question for the can nuts? why can't i seem to find a can for my 50? it seems like they don't want to sell them unless im a LEO.

Never heard of such a thing. AWC makes one called a Turbo Dyne I am sure some other companies make them as well. I have no doubt that if I called Alan he would get me one no problem.

I don't have a .50 yet :cry: someday I will have one and will need a suppressor for it.

[Hoser]

Last I saw the JET can for a 50 was around $1500....

[shrapmetal]

i have checked two companies one was gemtech the other i cant remember. both websites said they were goverment sales only. i am trying to stay under $1,500 for everything including stamp but if i have to pay i will. i have alot of research to do still. like figure out how to mount it on a Serbu BFG50. if any of have a pal some where i would love some contact info.

[RYAN50BMG]

I saw one from John's Guns at the SAR show last year. It was about 1800$ and they were already built for the Barretts. WWW.JOHNSGUNS.US

[MPfiveengineer]

I think AAC's new .50 can is now in production and they will sell to civies. Here are some CAD renderings of it. You guys like the "Front toward enemy"?