Some of the Savage .17's are pretty damn sweet too! .17HMR ammo is cheaper than .223 by a far sight and packs a nice little punch. Lots of folks I know who have them are touching holes at 100+ yards.

For me this type of weapon is excellent for working on basic mechanics, trigger control, breathing and all the other little things that such a small round will really accentuate in training. Not to mention they are just a ton of fun to shoot!