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    The statute has language about leaving them out and unattended. I haven't seen anything about possessing or manufacturing them as being illegal.

    If we get to the point of total anarchy and real SHTF, why stop at a pop-it or small flash bang. FRONT TOWARD ENEMY should do the trick. Since we are going that far, we are talking about lots of det cord, automatic weapons and armored vehicles aren't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideShow Bob View Post
    Since these are illegal, I am not doubting if they are, why isn't the alphabet stooges or CBI going after the sellers or manufacturers of these ?
    Is it easier because they are lazy ? And that it is easier to prosecute the little guy end user ?
    Or are these another one of those catch 22 items where they a legal to own, but illegal to use items ?
    Can someone with good authority or legal experience explain this to us unwashed masses ?

    State law, not federal. Just like the prohibitation against the claymore mine hitch covers here in Colorado.

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    It won't matter in a SHTF situation. LEOs will be trying to save themselves, not police the population. I would even go as far as saying most of them will abandon their posts in lieu of protecting their families. No disrespect intended here. But in my mind, my family, my dog, my friends, my home will always come first.

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    Getting away from all the legal discussion, yes these "12 Gauge Perimeter Alarm System" thingies could come in handy for a variety of reasons. However $30 each is a bit steep when, as Jerry pointed out, one can construct something that works as well from a mousetrap. The motion sensing electronic gizmo SuperiorDG posted above costs closer to $10, so somewhat more economical, although you have to worry about the batteries dying.

    I'm more intrigued about how does one protect the perimeter without such devices, barring having someone keeping watch? Ideally it would be something that alerts you not only of the direction of approach of the intruder (so effectively, which part of the perimeter has been breached), but does so in a way that alerts you and not the intruder. Also needs to have a little bit of range to it, because what good is perimeter alerting if you don't have time to react to a breach?

    The closest thing I've been able to come up with is some sort of a laser-"tripwire" system broadcasting to an alarm console. I'm sure someone builds these, but they're probably crazy expensive, and/or I haven't found them yet. Another possibility is some "game cameras" that sense motion then send an alert and picture via wireless signal to the base camp receiver. I've heard these are available, but again, have not had a chance to do much research. And of course there's always wireless CCTV cameras, assuming you have someone monitoring them at the base camp.

    But as with all technology-based solutions to a problem, you run the risk of batteries dying and/or it failing just when you need it most. So I'm interested in any ideas people have that could use a low-tech approach.

    Thoughts, anyone?

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    You could probably build something neat with an IR laser diode, a few mirrors, an IR sensitive photocell and a few other components. Power it from the house or car battery so you don't have to deal with small cells. Setup would be a pain unless you had night vision or a digital camera to see the IR beam.

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    $18 wireless driveway alert system.
    Ideally they would have different frequency to know where the breach was, maybe you can change the tone or something.

    Just the basic idea

    http://www.harborfreight.com/wireles...tem-93068.html

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    Happy to help. Yep I think you're thinking along the right lines. Personally I'd get that fence up if ya can for another layer... no need to make yourself a bigger target than you need to be...

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    my batteries last over a year in mine. what brand are you using?

    mine is from radio shack and has great range

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