SHTF/Camping Perimeter security?

[rbeau30]

Anyone have these?

"12 Gauge Perimeter Alarm System"

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Gadgets.html

Might be useful to have a few in the supplies.

[Badger]

Pretty cool, might have some concern of outdoor use during dry times though.



Badger

[275RLTW]

illegal to use.

18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons



(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

(b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

(c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

(d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

(e) He knowingly aims, swings, or throws a throwing star or nunchaku as defined in this paragraph (e) at another person, or he knowingly possesses a throwing star or nunchaku in a public place except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition or pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class. When transporting throwing stars or nunchaku for a public demonstration or exhibition or for a school or class, they shall be transported in a closed, nonaccessible container. For purposes of this paragraph (e), "nunchaku" means an instrument consisting of two sticks, clubs, bars, or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire, or chain, which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense, and "throwing star" means a disk having sharp radiating points or any disk-shaped bladed object which is hand-held and thrown and which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense.

[00tec]

illegal to use.

18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons



(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

(b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

(c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

(d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

(e) He knowingly aims, swings, or throws a throwing star or nunchaku as defined in this paragraph (e) at another person, or he knowingly possesses a throwing star or nunchaku in a public place except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition or pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class. When transporting throwing stars or nunchaku for a public demonstration or exhibition or for a school or class, they shall be transported in a closed, nonaccessible container. For purposes of this paragraph (e), "nunchaku" means an instrument consisting of two sticks, clubs, bars, or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire, or chain, which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense, and "throwing star" means a disk having sharp radiating points or any disk-shaped bladed object which is hand-held and thrown and which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense.

This thing is not designed to be used with buckshot. I don't see it being illegal with the flares, etc. Pepper rounds would probably catch a charge though.

[275RLTW]

This thing is not designed to be used with buckshot. I don't see it being illegal with the flares, etc. Pepper rounds would probably catch a charge though.

Still an unattended explosion. The projectile used doesn't negate that.

[Badger]

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content.


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

[Great-Kazoo]

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content.


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

Booby traps are illegal. Doesn't matter what the composition it's illegal. the research is not random It's CO law. Some years back a DFD rookie? was killed while responding to a fire in the warehouse district of downtown. Owner had the door booby trapped as a deterrent from the break in's he had been dealing with. Do your homework before critiquing someone else.

The quickest and simplest perimeter alarm is a few empty cans with some pebbles of other hard material in them. String the cans out about 4-5" off the ground in the brush. If you are camping in an area you feel the need to have a perimeter alarm, you're in the wrong area.

[Badger]

Yes, you'd be absolutely correct a booby trap is illegal. But here's the part where I simply ask you keep cranium external to colon and think about the facts:

1. A booby trap is any device requiring activation of some sort with the intent of causing harm or possibly even death to whomever activates it.

2. A perimeter alarm is a device intended as an early warning to those within an area. Not intended to cause harm.... hence the reason I wanted our resident Google warrior up there to investigate a little more.

3. If you'll notice the OP's title it includes the term S.H.T.F...... in such a scenario camping anywhere could be potentially hazardous and such methods of area detection could be beneficial.

The device in question uses blanks, not intended to cause harm and upon closer inspection are of a similar design used by our military for MANY years in a variety of applications with a variety of expected outcomes both passive and aggressive to the one who activated it.

So illegal? In its present form, NO. Can it be modified to do harm? Sure, but then again so can most anything with the right ounces of knowledge and ingenuity.


Badger

[cstone]

The cited Colorado statute has nothing to do with causing harm. Without having graduated from any law school or being admitted to practice law, this is how I was trained to read a statute:

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(c) He knowingly sets a ... device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present...

Last time I checked, even a primer in an empty shell, when struck, explodes, albeit a small explosion.

Bells, whistles, other audible alarms, as well as visible lights like chem lights would probably be permissible. 12 gauge alarms, probably get you a trip to the bench to pay a fine and have your prints on file.

Be safe.

[tmckay2]

In a shtf scenario the laws don't matter. Without being in a shtf scenario don't even mess with it. The law can be stretched to fit all sorts of things.