Colorado, crap place for bugging out to.

[buckshotbarlow]

Forgot to mention some areas of south dakota are nice...remember population density, you'll find that out real quick in one second after, and Survivors...

[Eggysrun]

I'd say the area I'm in is good for bugging out. Lowes is right by my apartment so easy access to some building supplies (nails, screws, etc) Jax and Sportsman aren't fair either to raid for some gear/ammo. After that I'm heading west into the foothills and gradually into the mountains once I have enough non perishable food stashed away. I'd say the biggest threat in Loveland would be refugee's from Fort Collins, or the nutter skin heads here in Loveland lol.

Greeley is a prime target for livestock is you got to feed a large group.

With what I'm armed with the foothills/mountains will best suit me because I have firearms generally suited for long range.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'd say the area I'm in is good for bugging out. Lowes is right by my apartment so easy access to some building supplies (nails, screws, etc) Jax and Sportsman aren't fair either to raid for some gear/ammo. After that I'm heading west into the foothills and gradually into the mountains once I have enough non perishable food stashed away. I'd say the biggest threat in Loveland would be refugee's from Fort Collins, or the nutter skin heads here in Loveland lol.

Greeley is a prime target for livestock is you got to feed a large group.

With what I'm armed with the foothills/mountains will best suit me because I have firearms generally suited for long range.

Doesn't mean anything if it cannot go through a 12" diameter tree. Cause that's what the smart ones returning fire, will be using as cover.
The "threat" can and will come from anywhere. Mob mentality will be the driving force of the people. Ft Fun clashes with loveland, wellington, anywhere the mob goes it absorbs the weaker of the 2 sides, festers and grows.
Throw in some charismatic person and the trouble / threat factor grows, perhaps very fast. There is no place here, or anywhere, determined people who have not given up the will to live might appear.

Jax, lowes 1st place the mob will be en mass. Anywhere there is the hope for tool to survive the people will go. Hell there will be people who have no clue that will be there too. Why? because that's where the mob is going.

After you read 1 second after (if you haven't already) read Lights Out.

[Eggysrun]

Doesn't mean anything if it cannot go through a 12" diameter tree. Cause that's what the smart ones returning fire, will be using as cover.
The "threat" can and will come from anywhere. Mob mentality will be the driving force of the people. Ft Fun clashes with loveland, wellington, anywhere the mob goes it absorbs the weaker of the 2 sides, festers and grows.
Throw in some charismatic person and the trouble / threat factor grows, perhaps very fast. There is no place here, or anywhere, determined people who have not given up the will to live might appear.

Jax, lowes 1st place the mob will be en mass. Anywhere there is the hope for tool to survive the people will go. Hell there will be people who have no clue that will be there too. Why? because that's where the mob is going.

After you read 1 second after (if you haven't already) read Lights Out.

I agree the mobs will be bad. I've done enough hiking in the foothills to spot out some temporary geocache spots in case things fall apart.

Obviously if something like an EMP went off over night while I was sleeping that wouldn't really work out for me but if I had a feeling stuff was heading downhill in a few weeks I'd take advantage of a geocache. I mean think about it, people can only carry so much ammo and supplies with them at a time. If you can spread those supplies in geocaches or burried on a path to your general area you'll be evacuating you'll be better off.

I'd rely on a vehicle to get to a certain point, either I run out of gas or room on the road or just not safe to drive and rely more on walking on foot or bicycle.

[buckshotbarlow]

something like this might help, i'm gonna look around!

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Wild.../dp/0936699108

[William]

Kansas, as far as what I've seen from pheasant hunting is a no go, not enough water...

SE Kansas is not like western Kansas Plenty of water, game etc.

[HoneyBadger]

SE Kansas is not like western Kansas Plenty of water, game etc.

Sure, but SE Kansas is a 10+ hour highway drive from Colorado Springs if the roads are clear... Assuming that the roads will be clear through several major cities and that you can take the highway the whole way at posted speed limits sounds a little silly, if you're trying to get out of dodge, don't you think?

[tmckay2]

i don't get the hate of colorado for bugging out. in my opinion its better than almost anywhere in the country for many reasons. first, finding drinkable, right out of the stream, water is not difficult. anyone who has spent reasonable amount of time in the backcountry knows that. you have to get to higher elevations sure but so what. also, all we have to worry about in colorado is giardia, which while unpleasant it won't kill you so long as you can stay hydrated. also, its not like every time you drink from a stream that has giardia in it, you will get giardia. finally, there is a simply solution, boil the water.

second, you can find some incredibly difficult to traverse, isolated areas. if you spend a few days packing stuff in and out you can get to areas that are 100% unable to be reached by vehicle and will take a lot of effort to get to on foot. fortifying such an area would not be difficult and with a few people it would be fairly easy to defend.

people talk about the winters but in my opinion they are a good thing. who the F is going to come try to walk around in the back country to find some random small group of people in the middle of winter? you can hunker down during the winter in the mountains and you shouldn't be bothered by anyone. game is plentiful during that time of year. our mountains are nice in that there are few predators or dangers but many types of game. one elk or even a good sized deer could feed you for quite some time. rabbits can be found readily as can birds, fish, etc. it wouldn't be that difficult to find food.

as for the growing season, sure its short. you couldn't rely on planting seeds in the ground, you would need to plan ahead and have some potted supplies to grow some various plants. the nice thing is that while the soil isn't great the mountains get plenty of sunshine and water can be easily found. you can grow plants fairly easily if you really put in the effort. now for during the winter, besides meat, yes you are going to need to plan ahead. you will need some nonperishible types of foods and some canned/freeze dried stuff. again, to survive up there over a year you can't expect to just slap a few things on your back and go for it, you will have to prepare a bit and make several trips from your vehicle. but come on, whats a few days of packing stuff to a site for a year or more of security?

now as for the cold. look, you can't make some make shift shelter and survive, i agree. heres how i would do it. i have a cabelas bighorn tent. its 12x12, extremely durable including in winds, waterproof, and thick enough that its actually pretty warm. it weighs 70 lbs. it has a stove jack and i have a four dog stove that can heat a 12x12 area from -30 degrees to a reasonable 50 degrees and fires last quite a while. although pine is not ideal as a burning wood, there is plenty of it. during the days (i know because i have camped in it in the winter) the sun actually makes it pretty dang toasty in there. the stove also provides a surface to cook on. i have a vestibule for it that allows you to put all your wood and everything inside from the elements. to carry this, i have an eberlestock skycrane. if you take it apart you can put almost anything in there and strap it all together. carrying the 70 lbs is not bad, ive tested it. if its tiring, take the poles out and the tent then weighs around 35 lbs and the poles 35 lbs, so two people can't split it. the stove is fairly heavy but two people could very easily carry it up a trail. this shelter will be all youll need in the summer and winter, but of course you can use natural elements to protect it even more, such as building a wooden stacked wall around it to help insulate it and such.

again, if you are up there in the winter you are probably safe from people. snow will provide plenty of water and while food won't be cake, if you spend most of your days foraging and hunting for it, youll survive, particularly if you came prepared with some non perishable foods.

you could find a nicer place in the country, sure. but the point is, so will other people. you need to be in a semi difficult place to survive where preparedness are necessary. otherwise a whole bunch of other people will sooner or later move to place you are at.

[Mtn.man]

You do realize that the majority will die from disease.

[Great-Kazoo]

i don't get the hate of colorado for bugging out. in my opinion its better than almost anywhere in the country for many reasons. first, finding drinkable, right out of the stream, water is not difficult. anyone who has spent reasonable amount of time in the backcountry knows that. you have to get to higher elevations sure but so what. also, all we have to worry about in colorado is giardia, which while unpleasant it won't kill you so long as you can stay hydrated. also, its not like every time you drink from a stream that has giardia in it, you will get giardia. finally, there is a simply solution, boil the water.

second, you can find some incredibly difficult to traverse, isolated areas. if you spend a few days packing stuff in and out you can get to areas that are 100% unable to be reached by vehicle and will take a lot of effort to get to on foot. fortifying such an area would not be difficult and with a few people it would be fairly easy to defend.

people talk about the winters but in my opinion they are a good thing. who the F is going to come try to walk around in the back country to find some random small group of people in the middle of winter? you can hunker down during the winter in the mountains and you shouldn't be bothered by anyone. game is plentiful during that time of year. our mountains are nice in that there are few predators or dangers but many types of game. one elk or even a good sized deer could feed you for quite some time. rabbits can be found readily as can birds, fish, etc. it wouldn't be that difficult to find food.

as for the growing season, sure its short. you couldn't rely on planting seeds in the ground, you would need to plan ahead and have some potted supplies to grow some various plants. the nice thing is that while the soil isn't great the mountains get plenty of sunshine and water can be easily found. you can grow plants fairly easily if you really put in the effort. now for during the winter, besides meat, yes you are going to need to plan ahead. you will need some nonperishible types of foods and some canned/freeze dried stuff. again, to survive up there over a year you can't expect to just slap a few things on your back and go for it, you will have to prepare a bit and make several trips from your vehicle. but come on, whats a few days of packing stuff to a site for a year or more of security?

now as for the cold. look, you can't make some make shift shelter and survive, i agree. heres how i would do it. i have a cabelas bighorn tent. its 12x12, extremely durable including in winds, waterproof, and thick enough that its actually pretty warm. it weighs 70 lbs. it has a stove jack and i have a four dog stove that can heat a 12x12 area from -30 degrees to a reasonable 50 degrees and fires last quite a while. although pine is not ideal as a burning wood, there is plenty of it. during the days (i know because i have camped in it in the winter) the sun actually makes it pretty dang toasty in there. the stove also provides a surface to cook on. i have a vestibule for it that allows you to put all your wood and everything inside from the elements. to carry this, i have an eberlestock skycrane. if you take it apart you can put almost anything in there and strap it all together. carrying the 70 lbs is not bad, ive tested it. if its tiring, take the poles out and the tent then weighs around 35 lbs and the poles 35 lbs, so two people can't split it. the stove is fairly heavy but two people could very easily carry it up a trail. this shelter will be all youll need in the summer and winter, but of course you can use natural elements to protect it even more, such as building a wooden stacked wall around it to help insulate it and such.

again, if you are up there in the winter you are probably safe from people. snow will provide plenty of water and while food won't be cake, if you spend most of your days foraging and hunting for it, youll survive, particularly if you came prepared with some non perishable foods.

you could find a nicer place in the country, sure. but the point is, so will other people. you need to be in a semi difficult place to survive where preparedness are necessary. otherwise a whole bunch of other people will sooner or later move to place you are at.

I have no hate for CO for bugging out. We would not have relocated here if that was the case.
All well and good, providing you are physically able to hump around the mtns.
If you think no one will be where you plan on settling down, think again. Desperate times breed desperate people. You assume there will be plentiful game, why is that, because no one else will venture to your 'safe" area? I wager there are an easy 100 people in CO if not 10 times that who say the same thing. Where i'm going no one else would even think of going. been there, done that.