So, if it really does 'hit the fan'..

[netsecsys]

Going off Form 4473 lists for...?

registered firearm owners

[kidicarus13]

registered firearm owners

I understand but what are they going to go off any lists for? For what reason? I guess I should direct that at the OP.

[dwalker460]

You won't have to concern yourself about the federal government.

Your immediate neighbors will handle redistribution of your goods just fine all by their lonesome. They'll send their children to prey on your sympathy and if you refuse they'll try to guilt you, and if you still refuse they'll rush you.

Are you prepared for that? Are you ready to deal with the emotions and all that other shit that follows when you hurt someone you know?

This is a fact. My own personality has no sympathy. I do have a lot of empathy- I can understand why you are in the situation you are in, but believe me, I am not going to help you at my own or my families expense.

The better question is what are you mentally prepared to do to survive. Personally I have a strong moral flexibility. Not only will I defend me and mine, I will take what is necessary if the choice is my families survival.


The data thing is a bit scary, but its not news in itself. What is news is they published it, which is even a little scarier.

[roberth]

This is a fact. My own personality has no sympathy. I do have a lot of empathy- I can understand why you are in the situation you are in, but believe me, I am not going to help you at my own or my families expense.

The better question is what are you mentally prepared to do to survive.Personally I have a strong moral flexibility. Not only will I defend me and mine,I will take what is necessary if the choice is my families survival.


The data thing is a bit scary, but its not news in itself. What is news is they published it, which is even a little scarier.

I agree, in the situation we're talking about I'm not inclined to help someone else to my own detriment. However, I'd be inclined to join forces with like-minded souls. I know my place too, I'm single and expendable, I'll take the hit if it means the survival of a good family.

I don't care about the data thing. The government is made up of people and and good number those people will want to take care of their own families. They're not going to put themselves in harms way to chase down some "enemy of the state" when their own families are threatened with starvation.

[Great-Kazoo]

registered firearm owners

THERE are NO Registered FIREARM owners in CO, enough of that shit. The 4473 only tells the .gov who you are and long gun, hand gun, other. NOTHING MORE, no serial number, mfg, semi, pump etc.
Only NFA tax stamp folk have some form of registration.

[ronaldrwl]

I sure would not want the government job of going to gun owner homes to take their food and supplies

[brianut]

THERE are NO Registered FIREARM owners in CO, enough of that shit. The 4473 only tells the .gov who you are and long gun, hand gun, other. NOTHING MORE, no serial number, mfg, semi, pump etc.
Only NFA tax stamp folk have some form of registration.

I would love to believe that all of the paper work is destroyed after a check and that they only use my info to see if I am bad or good, and don't keep the info on file but I think that is a bit naieve.

There is a reason it is on the form, not just for grins me thinks.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

top of page 3, questions 26-30.
26-manufacturer or importer
27-model
28-serial number
29-type (pistol, shotgun, rifle)
30-caliber or gauge

My opinion for whats it's worth is, there are many other people they will be after long before they come looking for me and other people who have made "normal" purchases on a 4473.
I figure the full auto,SBR,SBS, supressor guys will be on the top of the "go visit them first" list, then possibly the ccw lists then go through and check up on all the 4473 forms.
With this being still somewhat of a free state allowing FTF private party sales a lot of the guns bought on 4473 will no longer be in the possesion of those individuals.

Also I would hope that the people of this country would stand up and fight against that type of collecting of firearms, but sadly as most of us know it won't likely go down that way.

As for the data collection, yup we are all in a system somewhere, scary to think.
For me I think all guns are evil and after my boat accident last year where I lost all mine, I decided I didn't want to buy more I just donated the insurance claim to peta and the sierra club.

[tmckay2]

oh please, come on people, think about this for a minute. you really think if things get that bad the government is going to the organizational ability and time to go door to door to gun owners homes to confiscate their arms? give me a break. the amount of man power would be unbelievable, plus as stated those that work for the government have families too to care for. if things were THAT bad theyd leave the force and go home to take care of their own. the only possible time this sort of thing would happen EVER is if everything in the country is mostly normal and the government has just taken enough power to do such a thing without the populace being outraged. which also isn't likely. besides, everyone has had at least one boating accident in their lives.

[netsecsys]

THERE are NO Registered FIREARM owners in CO, enough of that shit. The 4473 only tells the .gov who you are and long gun, hand gun, other. NOTHING MORE, no serial number, mfg, semi, pump etc.
Only NFA tax stamp folk have some form of registration.

Wrong choice of words on my part. I should have stated: records of firearms purchses by individuals which include your address and firearm specifics. I was under the impression that info that the FFL records are retained for 5 years?

[CO303]

Does anyone really believe these ass hats could get this done? They can't do anything else. As far as the neighbors go, just kill them, feed them to the dogs, burn down their homes and capitalize their property for farming. It may not be politically correct but it is an effective and usable strategy.