So, if it really does 'hit the fan'..

[Sawin]

I dont think my mindset is that of the majority of the world to be honest. My personal observation is that most people want to be told what to do and have someone else make sure they are kept safe and secure. My Mindset is a little opposite of that, in that I believe my first obligation is to my family, then somewhere far down the list is society.

While I agree with your underlying point that most people in society are "sheep", (ie. they want to be led, protected, represented, don't see what's happening around them, etc.) I am definitely opposite your opinion that they want to be told what they can and cannot do. It might be trending that way with all of the entitlement programs and such, but the America I love and support is full of people who want their freedom. Not to be told they can and cannot do something.

That being said, I'm confident most folks would agree that individual responsibility begins with one's own actions, followed closely by the obligation to one's family... the "majority" of people, sheep or not, are going to default to protecting themselves and their families in an emergency situation. That's the "majority" I am referring to.

[45XD]

I sure hope you're not my neighbor.

Agree with that....

[xring]

Does anyone really believe these ass hats could get this done? They can't do anything else. As far as the neighbors go, just kill them, feed them to the dogs, burn down their homes and capitalize their property for farming. It may not be politically correct but it is an effective and usable strategy.

Lots of guys are thinking this way about SHTF. Few are honest enough to say it. On another forum a poster posted . "If I have a rifle I dont have to have everything I need to survive, I just need to know who has it, just sayin". I think there are many out there like this. If it goes up they plan on taking what they need. I think some of them are well equipped and train hard.

[Sawin]

Lots of guys are thinking this way about SHTF. Few are honest enough to say it. On another forum a poster posted . "If I have a rifle I dont have to have everything I need to survive, I just need to know who has it, just sayin". I think there are many out there like this. If it goes up they plan on taking what they need. I think some of them are well equipped and train hard.

No doubt about it. In fact, I am certain there are gangs that will expand their territories in a heart beat with this mantra. It's just another reason to be as rural as possible, and absolutely as incognito as possible. There's no reason to make it well known that you're a prepper or have any degree or provisions stocked away, but lots of reasons not to.

[CO303]

Lots of guys are thinking this way about SHTF. Few are honest enough to say it. On another forum a poster posted . "If I have a rifle I dont have to have everything I need to survive, I just need to know who has it, just sayin". I think there are many out there like this. If it goes up they plan on taking what they need. I think some of them are well equipped and train hard.

I think you're taking my comments out of context. That is probably my my fault for not making myself clear. I live in Denver. Most of my neighbors are the typical urban liberal type. If we move to SHTF, most of them will try to do for themselves until they can't, then they'll work with others to get what they need. When they cant get what they need they'll try to take what they need.

When this enhanced level of redistribution starts, I will use any means necessary to protect and defend my family. My mindset is not well suited to being a raider however, there's nothing in my thinking that would allow me to accept the role of victim either. If I'm hit, I'll hit back harder and when they're down I'll keep hitting. Being my neighbor isn't the problem. Being my neighbor and thinking you can rob and harm my family is a problem. If I know I can trust you and work with you, I'm the best neighbor you could have. If I don't trust you, we're better off keeping our distances.

If things get bad enough we'll all have plenty to answer for. Let's hope the things we fear don't come to pass.

[xring]

I think you're taking my comments out of context.

I used your comments to comment on others intention, I realize your comments were philisophical in nature so I should not have used your post in that manner. Please excuse me. My post concerned others intentions not yours.

[xring]

. Let's hope the things we fear don't come to pass.

Amen to that

[CO303]

X-ring, We're good. No worries in discussion. I don't think .gov is our biggest problem. I fact, I think .gov will quickly be so overwhelmed it may be years before we hear from them again. My concern is the guy who was willing to do anything to survive while the system is running, regardless of the impact on others. What is he willing to do when there aren't any rules or rules are a matter of moral values? The decisions become harder when the issue isn't just making him leave and becomes ensuring he doesn't come back.

[xring]

I lived in a town that flooded. Rivers on the east and west. Bridge under 2 feet of water on the north and highway under water on the south. A school bus was being run across the bridge every hour so you could get out if you wanted. the 7-11 and safeway sold completly out in 24 hours . everything. bare shelves. people were buying condiments and pickles just to be able to buy somthing.

People were indignent. It was their right to buy stuff. There had to be food in the stores. "the goverment has to do somthing". It was their right to have food. I saw the surlyness.

It was a real eye opener that people will justify and do what they want when a system breaks down and this was no SHTF just a couple of empty stores.

During the fires this year I saw people driving on to private property looking to "borrow" horse trailers without permission. Im sympathetic Id do what Id have to for my animals. Once again people will do what they want when the system breaks down. The change in ethics and actions happened within 24 hours in both instances and they were not shtf by any means. What happens to peoples ethics and actions if it goes up and the duration is weeks or months?