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    Quote Originally Posted by spqrzilla View Post
    You attack Fox News and then support your arguments with Huffington Post. And that's just one example of your continuous dishonest rhetoric. I've shown other examples in this and other threads where you misrepresent, outright fabricate and when caught, you shuck and jive. You do not "look for facts" at all but repeat long discredited spin and outright lies.

    Did I ever say that Huff post was the end all be all. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, go ahead and PROVE what I said is wrong. Use facts... have at it.

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    I don't think that anyone here is willing to personally accept the standard of living that welfare offers. I've seen claims here that minimum wage offers a lower standard of living than welfare, which is one reason that so many people stick with it.

    If this is the case, what can we do to create enough jobs to allow for an acceptable standard of living? Manufacturing jobs used to be the outlet for unskilled labor to move to skilled labor, but those have move offshore, and they aren't coming back. Regardless of how we think the politicians need to act to create jobs, what jobs are we actually thinking can be created for the folks currently on welfare? If we want them off welfare, that means meaningful employment. What can this country offer?

    Alternatively, let's assume that we only need to offer jobs roughly equivalent in standard of living to the current welfare population. What jobs would those be? In the cases of single parents, how do we think a balance between wages and childcare can be met? Let's not politicize this, but look at it from a strictly economic view. What jobs would these be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMAC757 View Post
    Stay here longer than 30 days proby and see how much work Ronin does at his dads office
    Again, who cares. If he is still employed then he's doing a satisfactory job. Plus what's your problem with that? Doesn't hurt you any does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Manufacturing jobs used to be the outlet for unskilled labor to move to skilled labor, but those have move offshore, and they aren't coming back.
    I agree with everything you said Rucker except that part. I think that if we returned to the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED power of congress to regulate impost and excise taxes (meaning a tariff system) that we would see manufacturing return. "Free"trade is destroying our nation by causing all manufacturing to go to over seas. God help us if we go to war. We can't manufacture enough to win. This "Free"trade stuff is weaking this nations ability to provide for itself and will be our undoing unless we go back to what the Constitution said is supposed to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Did I ever say that Huff post was the end all be all. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, go ahead and PROVE what I said is wrong. Use facts... have at it.
    I've disproven your assertions on many occasions and you've just ignored it and continued to make the same fabrications.

    Its why you have no credibility.
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    Stop quoting each other please. You all are ruining the whole point of ignore list. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey View Post
    Stop quoting each other please. You all are ruining the whole point of ignore list. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    I agree with everything you said Rucker except that part. I think that if we returned to the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED power of congress to regulate impost and excise taxes (meaning a tariff system) that we would see manufacturing return. "Free"trade is destroying our nation by causing all manufacturing to go to over seas. God help us if we go to war. We can't manufacture enough to win. This "Free"trade stuff is weaking this nations ability to provide for itself and will be our undoing unless we go back to what the Constitution said is supposed to happen.
    Another false statement. The Constitution does not mandate that tariffs be imposed.

    Are you unable to read simple English? That Congress has a power does not mandate that it exercise it. The people who wrote the Constitution knew how to write mandates, and did so, in clear English.
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    Ironically Chunky, I have posted that I agree with you. You won't see this, that is your choice. But putting someone on the ignore list is rather childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    I agree with everything you said Rucker except that part. I think that if we returned to the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED power of congress to regulate impost and excise taxes (meaning a tariff system) that we would see manufacturing return. "Free"trade is destroying our nation by causing all manufacturing to go to over seas. God help us if we go to war. We can't manufacture enough to win. This "Free"trade stuff is weaking this nations ability to provide for itself and will be our undoing unless we go back to what the Constitution said is supposed to happen.
    Most economic studies I'm familiar with show that raising tariffs to protect a non-competitive domestic economy adversely impact the previous export and the economy that imposes those tariffs. I think you also presume that the increase in cost of consumer goods won't have much impact on demand. Americans are used to and demand extremely low prices on consumer goods. Jumping retail prices by 2x or more would hurt the economy, not help it.

    Those US companies would also be limited to the US market for their goods, as they could not compete world-wide. No major manufacture wants to let someone else have the BRIC customers.

    Lastly, those trade restrictions would likely draw retaliation. Does Boeing want to give up sales to China and India?

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