I carry a Kahr CW9 in a Desantis Apache and forget it's there. I like the holster so much I just bought another one specifically for my Glock 26, and I'm trying to transition to carrying the 26 instead of the Kahr. I'mt still trying to get used to the 26 - it is definitely more noticeably down there than the Kahr, but the holster is also still breaking in. I typically wear some kind of hiking boot type shoe, so that keeps the rig above the bottom of the pant leg. I've worn it with dress shoes before, but it moves around quite a bit more.