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    I am all in favor of training for CCW holders, much like I'm strongly in favor of motorcyclists wearing proper safety gear, but I don't believe it's the government's place to mandate either.
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    Default Re: Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

    Yep... Just the responses I expected from most people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklabel View Post
    I don't believe that training to carry concealed should be required. It's not required to open carry.
    Good point!

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    I make a decent supplemental income teaching concealed carry. I'd gladly give it up for Constitutional carry...no permit required for law abiding citizens. This bill is just another incremental step to more and more infringement of our 2A rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cysoto View Post
    If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?
    Damn skippy.

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    Default Re: Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0 View Post
    Yep... Just the responses I expected from most people...
    God forbid we exercise our rights without government intrusion.

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    Default Re: Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    I am all in favor of training for CCW holders, much like I'm strongly in favor of motorcyclists wearing proper safety gear, but I don't believe it's the government's place to mandate either.
    Agreed!

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    I understand where all of those who say "it is our right... you don't need to train for a right" are coming from. And on principal... I agree. However, I have seen tons of people handle and operate a firearm at the range and the thought of them concealed carrying scares the bejeezus out of me. Sweeping everyone in the range, finger on the trigger, just bad, awful, pisspoor discipline. I know, I know... they have just as much and every right to carry as you and I do. But good lord, I am not opposed to them getting some training and learning how to properly handle and operate a firearm. I also know a lot of people who don't have the proper mindeset and temperament for carrying a firearm. Myself... I had a much different mindset before I took my concealed carry class. So I stand on the side that there is LOTS of value in taking a good CCW course. If we don't care about people getting some good, proper training before hand... I guess we can always discipline them AFTER they make a fatal mistake. But I see where people on both sides of the fence are coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I make a decent supplemental income teaching concealed carry. I'd gladly give it up for Constitutional carry...no permit required for law abiding citizens. This bill is just another incremental step to more and more infringement of our 2A rights.
    Are residents of Colorado less trustworthy than the residents of Arizona?

    I think the difference is that Arizona voters have elected representatives who are not inclined to second guess their citizens. Colorado voters seem to be leaning more and more toward government intrusion and nannyism.

    Cy, I am a proponent of as much training as someone can afford and attend. I've been to expensive classes that weren't worth it and free classes that were worth more than a luxury cruise. It is really difficult to know what you are going to get before the class is over. I guess you could say that: Training is like a box of chocolates...

    I just know that if the legislature is involved, and given the average legislator's knowledge about firearms, tactics, and firearms liability, I do not want them writing any laws concerning what I have to spend my money on to exercise my rights.

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    Default Re: Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by blacklabel View Post
    God forbid we exercise our rights without government intrusion.
    What part if my comment made you think it was a bad thing?

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