Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

[cysoto]

Only because the media pushed that bullshit.

I was only refreshing Sniper7's memory when he said that he didn't recall the names of any CCW holders who "made the headlines" but fine, then how about: George Sodini, Paul Merhige, Christopher Speight or Michael McClendon (amongst others)? All of these folks were CCW holders at the time the committed their murders and I am willing to bet that you have never heard their names before today.

[hurley842002]

training would have stopped these murders from happening? so, of the thousands and thousands of permit holders, you can name a few who were bad guys. that still has nothing to do with training.

Seems it has more to do with trolling....

[cysoto]

training would have stopped these murders from happening?

I seriously doubt that any amount of training would have prevented these men from committing their crimes. Again, I only mentioned them because someone here said that he didn't recall any CCW holders ever making the headlines (which btw is a completely separate topic from my original question).

[cysoto]

Seems it has more to do with trolling....

How so?

[Sharpienads]

I seriously doubt that any amount of training would have prevented these men from committing their crimes. Again, I only mentioned them because someone here said that he didn't recall any CCW holders ever making the headlines (which btw is a completely separate topic from my original question).

Fair enough.

But for the original question, there should be no mandated training. There should be no permit to carry concealed in the first place.

[dwalker460]

I do not support this bill. In fact, I do not support the CCW laws, as they Un-Constitionally infringe upon my right to keep and bear arms. I also do not agree with background checks, as they violate my 4th Amendment right to privacy.

[osok-308]

I oppose it, because it is one more gun law for the books. I don't recall hearing of any CCW permit holder who shot up a place!

[flan7211]

Yes lets ask permission to exercise our rights. Training is a valuable tool. You should capitalize upon it as much as possible, but the 2A isn't about standards and practices. It is about RIGHTS, your right to keep and bear arms how you see fit to defend your life and liberty. Anything past that is tyranny and infringement.

[Bailey Guns]

FFS. We've beaten this topic to death in this forum. Here's the bottom line as I see it:

No one is arguing against permit holders obtaining voluntary training to improve their knowledge and skills. The argument is between those who want the training to be voluntary and those who want mandated training standards set by bureaucrats like Evie Hudak and John Morse and Rhonda Fields.

If you are in favor of gov't mandated training standards for people who want to defend themselves then, in my opinion, you are part of the problem we're facing here in Colorado and in the nation with gov't infringing more and more on our personal liberties. I'd suggest the democrat party is looking for folks like you.

Permit holders are not the problem regardless of the anecdotal stories of "I saw someone at the range handling a gun and they were really scary. I wish the gov't would save me from them". If you want the gov't to take care of you because personal freedom is dangerous and scary, the democrat party is looking for you.

What are you going to do when you can't pass the gov't standards? Oh, that's right. You'll have the gov't to protect you. If that's what you want, the democrat party is looking for you.

If you can't grasp the simple concept that personal freedom and liberty carries a price, if you aren't willing to pay the price, if you don't think others are worthy of the freedoms and liberties laid out in our Constitution, the democrat party is looking for you.

Goddamn, some of you people piss me off the way you talk outta both sides of your mouth about gun rights and freedom.

[Boadie30]

The average person, I know, can't afford this bullshit in the first place... 152.50 CCW... 500-600 for decent weapon...50-100 for decent holster... 45.50-150.00 training class, (open carried for years so i could not get the military training exemption). The average person will not open carry.

So what happens? They do not carry, they do not get involved.... In many cases they vote against us... Sheep

Many training courses do not even require range time anyway... Some instructors are (politically slanted which causes them to spew bullshit) more fucked up on the laws then their students (not all of them)..

Just imagine how much more fucked up it could be with the government being even more involved in it. It’s just about CONTROL and there is no significant problem to fix...

Please do not ask or wish for the government to force me to spend more money on shit I do not want...