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    Default Some facts about Colorado hunting and the new bills

    Someone sent this to me today and I thought I should share it with my buddies here.
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    COLORADO PARKS & WILDLIFE ▪ 6060 Broadway, Denver, CO 80216 ▪ (303) 297-1192 ▪ cpw.state.co.us

    SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT COLORADO GUN BILLS AND HUNTING

    Thank you for contacting Colorado Parks and Wildlife. We appreciate that you trust our agency enough to communicate with us - even when you're frustrated. We pride ourselves on always listening to our constituents and trying to address their concerns. We are pleased to provide some facts about Colorado's new legislation because there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    Some facts about Colorado hunting and the new bills
    These new bills will not have an impact on our existing hunting regulations and they will not affect a person's ability to hunt in Colorado. The bills that were passed will not change our ability to regulate harvest and manage wildlife populations.

    With more than 23 million acres of public land open to hunting, Colorado continues to offer the best hunting opportunity in the nation. Colorado has the nation's largest elk population - estimated at over 265,000 - and we offer the most readily available elk licenses in the country. Colorado is the only state that offers an unlimited number of over-the-counter, non-resident and resident bull elk licenses.
    As an agency, we support safe ownership and handling of firearms. Colorado Parks and Wildlife teaches hunter safety classes to thousands of people each year. Last year, we facilitated hunter safety courses for more than 20,000 students.

    Most wildlife management in Colorado is paid for by the license fees of people who hunt and fish. We don't receive general fund tax revenue to manage wildlife in Colorado so we rely on license fees. Non-residents play a critical role in our funding. While non-residents account for only 86,493 of the 575,820 hunting licenses sold in fiscal year 2011-2012, non-resident hunting revenue accounted for roughly 17% of our agency budget. We hope that management of Colorado's wildlife won't suffer over the outcome of this debate; however we understand that people have a right to choose how they express their disapproval of a political decision. Colorado Parks and Wildlife will continue to manage the amazing places and amazing animals that we are charged with managing.

    Below are some key facts about the recently passed gun legislation. The information contained in this document is not legal advice. We are paraphrasing and summarizing some information to make it easier to understand. If you need further interpretation of the laws, please review the entire text of the laws and consult with an attorney. Prior to July 1, we will be working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Colorado Attorney General to get answers to specific technical questions that aren't answered by this document.
    Thank you again for contacting us. Enjoy your next hunt. We hope you'll see that Colorado is open for business.

    Hunting and HB 1224
    FACTS ABOUT THE HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE BILL 3/28/2013
    House Bill 13-1224 High-Capacity Magazines"Grandfathering" of existing magazines
    All magazines (regardless of capacity) purchased prior to July 1, 2013 are "grand-fathered in" and remain legal for possession and use. They may continue to be used for legal activities (hunting, target shooting, etc.) even after the laws take effect July 1. Existing regulations must still be followed, such as existing caliber, magazine and plugging requirements in Colorado hunting regulations.

    Exemptions
    HB 1224, contains the following exemptions:
    "(b) LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE" DOES NOT MEAN:
    (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
    (II) AN ATTACHED TUBULAR DEVICE DESIGNED TO ACCEPT, AND CAPABLE OF OPERATING ONLY WITH, .22 CALIBER RIMFIRE AMMUNITION; OR
    (III) A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A LEVER-ACTION FIREARM."

    Removable base plates
    One section of HB 1224 that has drawn attention defines a high-capacity magazine as one that is "CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. " As most removable base plates are designed for cleaning purposes - not for accepting additional rounds or for conversion - there is a presumption that they are legal.

    Affirmative enforcement
    The burden of proof regarding purchase date of a magazine will be on law enforcement, not on the person using the magazine. There is no affirmative enforcement required in these bills - meaning that we are not required to ask for gun or magazine ownership information unless we do so as part of some other inquiry, such as an investigation into another violation.
    Other Questions This is not legal advice, but rather a summary of facts related to House Bill 1224 as we understand them at this time. Colorado Parks and Wildlife is working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Attorney General to receive additional technical guidance on the new statutes. The new statutes do not take effect until July 1 and implementation guidance will be available prior to that time.

    Hunting and HB 1229
    FACTS ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK BILL 3/28/2013
    House Bill 13-1229 Universal Background Checks HB 1229 requires that a background check is performed before the transfer/sale of a gun from one individual to another. To facilitate the background checks, a separate bill (HB 1228) authorized the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to establish a fee for background checks and to create a system to provide those checks.

    Hunting activities are exempt
    HB 1229 specifically exempts hunting: "THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY… WHILE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING IF: (A) THE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING IS LEGAL IN ALL PLACES WHERE THE UNLICENSED TRANSFEREE POSSESSES THE FIREARM; AND (B) THE UNLICENSED TRANSFEREE HOLDS ANY LICENSE OR PERMIT THAT IS REQUIRED FOR SUCH HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING

    Temporary transfers exempt
    HB 1229 exempts temporary transfers (for example, if you loan a gun to a friend for target practice) if the transfer is less than 72 hours. Note: This exemption is separate from the hunting exemption, meaning that the hunting exemption is good for the length of whatever period the transferee is hunting. For example, if you loan a neighbor a gun to go out for a nine day elk season, the hunting exemption would apply to that transfer and the 72 hours would not apply. However if you loan your friend a gun for something other than hunting or at a shooting range, the 72 hour exemption would apply.

    Gun transfers to immediate family are exempt
    The bill exempts gun transfers (gift or loan) to family members, specifically "SPOUSES, PARENTS, CHILDREN, SIBLINGS, GRANDPARENTS, GRANDCHILDREN, NIECES, NEPHEWS, FIRST COUSINS, AUNTS AND UNCLES"

    Loaning someone a gun at a shooting range is exempt
    HB 1229 exempts transfers at shooting ranges, specifically: "AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS"

    Shooting competitions are exempt
    HB 1229 exempts shooting competitions or trainings specifically: "AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION"

    Other Questions Colorado Parks and Wildlife is working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Attorney General to receive additional technical guidance on the new statutes. The new statutes do not take effect until July 1 and implementation guidance will be available prior to that time.

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    Its certainly not legal advice ...

    then its useless isn't it?

    Not to mention, I think its wrong in some of its assertions - that are not legal advice - about the law. Such as failing to mention how narrow the hunting and target shooting exemptions are, and failing to note the strict liability for misuse of a firearm when temporarily transfered.

    But then ... its not legal advice.
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    HB 1229 is fucking bull shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lv2tinker View Post
    Someone sent this to me today and I thought I should share it with my buddies here.
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    Loaning someone a gun at a shooting range is exempt
    HB 1229 exempts transfers at shooting ranges, specifically: "AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS"

    Shooting competitions are exempt
    HB 1229 exempts shooting competitions or trainings specifically: "AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION"
    So if I want to go to a friends house and work on shooting skills with my wife or daughters or let my friend shoot one of my guns or shoot one of his, we cannot anymore after June 30.

    Since his property is not "AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS" and/or "AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION".

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    That's certainly what the language states with the target range exemption. The 72 hour exception applies but you are strictly liable for misuse.
    Sayonara

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    And so it begins. The gun grabbers do not care about our hunting at all. The end game for them is total confiscation and if the hunting sports are killed so much the better they hate hunters and are just too afraid to say outright.

    As the law goes I will not comply. If people can openly consume a federally illegal substance and no repercussions then how can they police us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by samurai64 View Post
    As the law goes I will not comply. If people can openly consume a federally illegal substance and no repercussions then how can they police us?
    bingo

    they prosecuted 12 of the 77,000 straw buyers or people who lied on existing 4473 forms
    so seriously, who cares?

    Besides, fuck colorado (and I"m a native) they won't be getting any of my hunting money, other states who respect my rights will receive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lv2tinker View Post
    Someone sent this to me today and I thought I should share it with my buddies here.
    ================================================== ====================
    Hunting and gun bills
    COLORADO PARKS & WILDLIFE ▪ 6060 Broadway, Denver, CO 80216 ▪ (303) 297-1192 ▪ cpw.state.co.us

    SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT COLORADO GUN BILLS AND HUNTING

    Thank you for contacting Colorado Parks and Wildlife. We appreciate that you trust our agency enough to communicate with us - even when you're frustrated. We pride ourselves on always listening to our constituents and trying to address their concerns. We are pleased to provide some facts about Colorado's new legislation because there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    Some facts about Colorado hunting and the new bills
    These new bills will not have an impact on our existing hunting regulations and they will not affect a person's ability to hunt in Colorado. The bills that were passed will not change our ability to regulate harvest and manage wildlife populations.

    With more than 23 million acres of public land open to hunting, Colorado continues to offer the best hunting opportunity in the nation. Colorado has the nation's largest elk population - estimated at over 265,000 - and we offer the most readily available elk licenses in the country. Colorado is the only state that offers an unlimited number of over-the-counter, non-resident and resident bull elk licenses.
    As an agency, we support safe ownership and handling of firearms. Colorado Parks and Wildlife teaches hunter safety classes to thousands of people each year. Last year, we facilitated hunter safety courses for more than 20,000 students.

    Most wildlife management in Colorado is paid for by the license fees of people who hunt and fish. We don't receive general fund tax revenue to manage wildlife in Colorado so we rely on license fees. Non-residents play a critical role in our funding. While non-residents account for only 86,493 of the 575,820 hunting licenses sold in fiscal year 2011-2012, non-resident hunting revenue accounted for roughly 17% of our agency budget. We hope that management of Colorado's wildlife won't suffer over the outcome of this debate; however we understand that people have a right to choose how they express their disapproval of a political decision. Colorado Parks and Wildlife will continue to manage the amazing places and amazing animals that we are charged with managing.

    Below are some key facts about the recently passed gun legislation. The information contained in this document is not legal advice. We are paraphrasing and summarizing some information to make it easier to understand. If you need further interpretation of the laws, please review the entire text of the laws and consult with an attorney. Prior to July 1, we will be working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Colorado Attorney General to get answers to specific technical questions that aren't answered by this document.
    Thank you again for contacting us. Enjoy your next hunt. We hope you'll see that Colorado is open for business.

    Hunting and HB 1224
    FACTS ABOUT THE HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE BILL 3/28/2013
    House Bill 13-1224 High-Capacity Magazines"Grandfathering" of existing magazines
    All magazines (regardless of capacity) purchased prior to July 1, 2013 are "grand-fathered in" and remain legal for possession and use. They may continue to be used for legal activities (hunting, target shooting, etc.) even after the laws take effect July 1. Existing regulations must still be followed, such as existing caliber, magazine and plugging requirements in Colorado hunting regulations.

    Exemptions
    HB 1224, contains the following exemptions:
    "(b) LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE" DOES NOT MEAN:
    (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
    (II) AN ATTACHED TUBULAR DEVICE DESIGNED TO ACCEPT, AND CAPABLE OF OPERATING ONLY WITH, .22 CALIBER RIMFIRE AMMUNITION; OR
    (III) A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A LEVER-ACTION FIREARM."

    Removable base plates
    One section of HB 1224 that has drawn attention defines a high-capacity magazine as one that is "CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. " As most removable base plates are designed for cleaning purposes - not for accepting additional rounds or for conversion - there is a presumption that they are legal.

    Affirmative enforcement
    The burden of proof regarding purchase date of a magazine will be on law enforcement, not on the person using the magazine. There is no affirmative enforcement required in these bills - meaning that we are not required to ask for gun or magazine ownership information unless we do so as part of some other inquiry, such as an investigation into another violation.
    Other Questions This is not legal advice, but rather a summary of facts related to House Bill 1224 as we understand them at this time. Colorado Parks and Wildlife is working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Attorney General to receive additional technical guidance on the new statutes. The new statutes do not take effect until July 1 and implementation guidance will be available prior to that time.

    Hunting and HB 1229
    FACTS ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK BILL 3/28/2013
    House Bill 13-1229 Universal Background Checks HB 1229 requires that a background check is performed before the transfer/sale of a gun from one individual to another. To facilitate the background checks, a separate bill (HB 1228) authorized the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to establish a fee for background checks and to create a system to provide those checks.

    Hunting activities are exempt
    HB 1229 specifically exempts hunting: "THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY… WHILE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING IF: (A) THE HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING IS LEGAL IN ALL PLACES WHERE THE UNLICENSED TRANSFEREE POSSESSES THE FIREARM; AND (B) THE UNLICENSED TRANSFEREE HOLDS ANY LICENSE OR PERMIT THAT IS REQUIRED FOR SUCH HUNTING, FISHING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR TRAPPING

    Temporary transfers exempt
    HB 1229 exempts temporary transfers (for example, if you loan a gun to a friend for target practice) if the transfer is less than 72 hours. Note: This exemption is separate from the hunting exemption, meaning that the hunting exemption is good for the length of whatever period the transferee is hunting. For example, if you loan a neighbor a gun to go out for a nine day elk season, the hunting exemption would apply to that transfer and the 72 hours would not apply. However if you loan your friend a gun for something other than hunting or at a shooting range, the 72 hour exemption would apply.

    Gun transfers to immediate family are exempt
    The bill exempts gun transfers (gift or loan) to family members, specifically "SPOUSES, PARENTS, CHILDREN, SIBLINGS, GRANDPARENTS, GRANDCHILDREN, NIECES, NEPHEWS, FIRST COUSINS, AUNTS AND UNCLES"

    Loaning someone a gun at a shooting range is exempt
    HB 1229 exempts transfers at shooting ranges, specifically: "AT A SHOOTING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN FIREARMS"

    Shooting competitions are exempt
    HB 1229 exempts shooting competitions or trainings specifically: "AT A TARGET FIREARM SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, OR APPROVED BY, A STATE AGENCY OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION"

    Other Questions Colorado Parks and Wildlife is working with the Colorado Department of Public Safety and the Attorney General to receive additional technical guidance on the new statutes. The new statutes do not take effect until July 1 and implementation guidance will be available prior to that time.
    Don't presume that removable base plates are going to be legal. The way lawyers are and the way it can be read, they are illegal. As we all know, if it can be read to prohibit, it's going to prohibit. Also, there is no grandfathering of removable base plate magazines. They will be illegal come July 1. Unless, of course, that was amended. In addition, if you and a buddy are at a shooting range or out shooting, and you walk away after letting him shoot it and it's in his "care", you have both committed an illegal transfer. The 72 hours care doesn't work in said example with the way the law is written and can be read.

    What pisses me off so much is CBI is getting funding from CO as it is and they have been offering the Brady check all this time, but now we have to pay. Did you know the same bill prohibits FFL's from charging more than $10 for the service (It's a 15 to 35 minute ordeal), but CBI can charge whatever they deem as "necessary". The reps I have talked to at CBI says it is going up to a minimum of $25 next year.

    Also, show us where it says nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles. The bill I read said immediate family was spouses, children, and grandchildren.

    Charging for a mandatory Brady check has made this a sin tax.
    Last edited by CroiDhubh; 04-25-2013 at 10:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CroiDhubh View Post
    The reps I have talked to at CBI says it is going up to a minimum of $25 next year.

    Wow, I'm surprised...

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    I know, right?

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