My FACEBOOK post to try to educate my contacts about Universal BGC

[Goodburbon]

Just to clear something up. "Guns purchased online without a background check" is a term used by the media and politicians to scare uninformed people. People aren't buying guns from Amazon.com and getting them shipped to their houses. I've bought several guns online and each one had to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer and I had to undergo a background check in order to take the gun home (once or twice while I had a gun on my hip...but hey, gotta go through that background check because I might be dangerous when I get that next gun right?)

What they're talking about is classifieds online, where you still have to meet a person face to face to exchange money for a gun.

The primary issue I have with these "common sense" laws is this. If someone is so dangerous that they can't be trusted with a firearm in public(i.e. not passing a background check), why aren't they in jail?

The new "Universal Background check" law enacted in Colorado says that if I leave my house for more than 72 hours, I have to gift all guns in my house to my wife. If We leave the house for a week for vacation, I have to perform a background check and transfer every gun to whomever we leave with a house key. For instance for me to comply with the law this summer my mother in law will be watching the kids and house for a week and we'd have to spend ~$300 on background checks when we leave, ~$300 when we come back, and even then several guns would be illegal to transfer because she isn't a citizen of Colorado and can't take possession of a pistol except in her home state. So despite our best efforts to comply with the law, we would still be committing crimes.

Additionally If someone leaves a gun for me to keep in my safe while they're on vacation I have to undergo a background check to keep it for them, they have to undergo a check when they get back so I can give it back to them.

You want "Universal background checks" because it's common sense? Please rethink what "common sense" means. If someone can't be trusted with a gun in society (can't pass a bg check), they can't be trusted in society and don't belong there PERIOD. That's common sense. Or does common sense refer to harassing legal gun owners, creating laws that are impossible to obey.


Here was the first response from a VERY liberal family member:
Any time you give a simple task to a bureaucracy, you end up with red tape. I agree with background checks for the purchase of assault and automatic weapons, but what you describe above is a nightmare, Purchase, not tacit temporary transfer of title. You're right about this being impossible to obey or enforce.

Yes, I corrected her about the "assault and automatic weapons" comment.




I realize that some of you don't like facebook, or don't have facebook, but it allows me the opportunity to influence the knowledge and opinions of people I know, without being forceful or intrusive. We are, after all, fighting a war of education and information against the popular media.

[TFOGGER]

May I steal this?

[Goodburbon]

May I steal this?

of course.

[Aloha_Shooter]

If you want a concrete example (rather than "ifs"), I am temporarily holding an AR for a friend who was stationed in Germany. His wife bought it so she could practice her marksmanship over and above what the US Army allowed her to do annually but they couldn't take it overseas with them. Under the new law, we will have to go to an FFL and conduct a background check for me to return his wife's rifle to him! This for a person I've known for nearly 10 years, who just had a very extensive reinvestigation for his clearance a few months ago and who will get the same periodically for the rest of his career ...

[Goodburbon]

If you want a concrete example (rather than "ifs"), I am temporarily holding an AR for a friend who was stationed in Germany. His wife bought it so she could practice her marksmanship over and above what the US Army allowed her to do annually but they couldn't take it overseas with them. Under the new law, we will have to go to an FFL and conduct a background check for me to return his wife's rifle to him! This for a person I've known for nearly 10 years, who just had a very extensive reinvestigation for his clearance a few months ago and who will get the same periodically for the rest of his career ...

There are hundreds of examples, that have impact on all of us.

For example, If you drop your rifle off at a gunsmith's for some work and it's there more than 3 days...BG check required?
If you want your 30rd magazines refinished professionally...would it be legal to leave them with the refinisher?
I have a friend's rifle in my safe, BG check required to give it back to him.
I have a box filled with AK mags that belongs to a friend, Cant' give them back after July 1

[BPTactical]

There are hundreds of examples, that have impact on all of us.

For example, If you drop your rifle off at a gunsmith's for some work and it's there more than 3 days...BG check required?
If you want your 30rd magazines refinished professionally...would it be legal to leave them with the refinisher?
I have a friend's rifle in my safe, BG check required to give it back to him.
I have a box filled with AK mags that belongs to a friend, Cant' give them back after July 1

1st example- there is provision in the BGC law that exempts "repairs". No change at all compared to current protocols.
2cnd example- there is no exemption in the magazine law "for repair/refinishing purposes", so your example is correct. If a customer brings in an item with a magazine in excess of 15 round capacity both the customer and gunsmith have violated the law if the gunsmith accepts the "transfer" of said magazine. I believe the same would apply if a magazine was "readily convertible" which is basically any magazine with a removable floorplate.

[bkincaid]

I believe the same would apply if a magazine was "readily convertible" which is basically any magazine with a removable floorplate.

That's how I believe as well, but this is a quote from CPW site:"Removable base plates
One section of HB 1224 that has drawn attention defines a high-capacity magazine as one that is "CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. " As most removable base plates are designed for cleaning purposes - not for accepting additional rounds or for conversion - there is a presumption that they are legal."

Wonder if the AG has confirmed either yet?

[us1911]

I like your facebook post. It presents the facts in a simple, non-argumentative way that cannot be countered.

I recently disarmed my extremely liberal sister during a discussion of national gun registries as follows: A gun registry is simply a list of citizens who have exercised their 2nd amendment rights. If that's OK, then certainly she would have no problem with other lists of citizens who exercised other constitutionally guaranteed rights. Perhaps a list of citizens who resist random searches? How about a database of troublemakers that petition to redress government actions and decisions?

Analogies, corollaries, and simple examples go a long way to point out the hypocrisy and stupidity in these knee-jerk reactions. Fight emotion with facts, logic, and common sense.

[spqrzilla]

That's how I believe as well, but this is a quote from CPW site:"Removable base plates
One section of HB 1224 that has drawn attention defines a high-capacity magazine as one that is "CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. " As most removable base plates are designed for cleaning purposes - not for accepting additional rounds or for conversion - there is a presumption that they are legal."

Wonder if the AG has confirmed either yet?

That is what the CPW states in its press release which is not legal advice according to them (so why did they release it?). Further, the Attorney General's opinion on the law is meaningless.

[brokenscout]

Can I steal(borrow) this