My FACEBOOK post to try to educate my contacts about Universal BGC

[spqrzilla]

That's how I believe as well, but this is a quote from CPW site:"Removable base plates
One section of HB 1224 that has drawn attention defines a high-capacity magazine as one that is "CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE READILY CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. " As most removable base plates are designed for cleaning purposes - not for accepting additional rounds or for conversion - there is a presumption that they are legal."

Wonder if the AG has confirmed either yet?

That is what the CPW states in its press release which is not legal advice according to them (so why did they release it?). Further, the Attorney General's opinion on the law is meaningless.

[Circuits]

Is there a reason you're provoking me instead of using the law to prove me wrong. Because I'm down to be proven wrong, but not in the mood to be provoked.

While I agree with the spirit of your statements, their expression as a series of missing-middle worst cases remind me of the way "progressives" exaggerate and misrepresent, and as your stated purpose was to 'educate', I guess I expect more reasonable discourse from our side.

For "using the law to prove you wrong"... the law does not prevent such a thing from happening, but until the law also requires you to use one particular FFL, it's a fallacy to claim the $300 a pop each way as a real consequence of the legislation, since the checks actually wouldn't be required if the firearms were secured, and would not cost $300 each way even if they ended up being necessary. Obamacare doesn't prevent a doctor from charging anything they want for their services, for instance, just sets limits on what the government will pay. It is incorrect to say that obamacare will make your office visits to the doctor cost you $3500 out of pocket, just because the law doesn't PREVENT such a thing from happening - and there are still doctors out there who will do it for less even if some might like to charge that $3500.

For the storage requirements, it's been done that way for around the last 80 years with NFA firearms stored with someone other than the person they're registered to. If Colorado in the future re-interprets things in a manner stricter than the feds have been doing, the point perhaps could be revisited, but for now there's about 79 years of precedent in support of my interpretation, and no precedent that I'm aware of in support of your interpretation.

[Goodburbon]

So, I'm not wrong but you disagree with me. Good to know.

[Goodburbon]

OK just saw this RFB post

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/95531-Tr...ees-as-follows

So, there would only be 1 $10 fee. but an additional $15/firearm. So with 30 firearms it would be. $460 not $300, so you are right Circuits, my original estimate was untrue.

[Circuits]

I'm not here to insult or argue with you, but I do think you're wrong about the consequences and cost for the reasons I explained above.

I can prove you wrong on the cost - I charge one flat fee for any number of firearms in a single transaction. If it ever becomes necessary, I'll do your whole house transfers for you for $30 plus the $10 bgc fee, like I do for all my other customers. Down to $40 each way now - I just saved you $420. You're welcome, sir.

[Rucker61]

That's great, Circuits, but the Front Range is a relatively dense population area. Folks who live in sparser areas may not have the option to have access to such a friendly, reasonable FFL.

[Rucker61]

That's great, Circuits, but the Front Range is a relatively densely populated area. Folks who live in sparser areas may not have the option to have access to such a friendly, reasonable FFL.

[Stvros]

In what real world scenario am I ever going to have to explain to anybody who I left my guns with and for how long ?

[Goodburbon]

In what real world scenario am I ever going to have to explain to anybody who I left my guns with and for how long ?

Hopefully none, ever. The problem is that the law is set up now and it would be up to a prosecutor to decide when and who to enforce the law on.


I don't have a safe big enough for all guns and magazines, your other argument to secure them costs more.