Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I make a decent supplemental income teaching concealed carry. I'd gladly give it up for Constitutional carry...no permit required for law abiding citizens. This bill is just another incremental step to more and more infringement of our 2A rights.

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+1

honestly, I don't think there should be any training requirement. There isn't to own a gun. There isn't to open carry. There isn't to shoot at a range, to shoot in the woods (except hunting), to defend your family or your home.

If these absolutely HAS to be training, then I think it should be standardized, in person, with live fire and show the applicable laws and pathways to insurance, what lawyers to contact in the event of an incident, how to work with the police in a contact situation etc.

yes, those of us on here see a ton of info from the multiple instructors, but the average Joe who doesn't sit on here all the time might not get the best instructor, or does a quick online class and doesn't pay attention to the videos or googles any questions on a test.

The best proof though that nothing needs to change is the simple facts and data. I can't recall any concealed carry permit holders that have gone on shooting sprees, that have got into severe trouble, or really anything that has made the headlines.

Personal responsibility goes long way.

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Originally Posted by cysoto

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

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It quite clearly guarantees the right of the individual to keep and bear arms, free from infringement. Determining the method of carry, capacity of carry, conditions of carry, locations of carry, permissable ammunition of carry (i.e. "copkillers") are clearly violations of the spirit of the law. Yet here we are, willing to accept that certain methods of carrying certain weapons are not legal as arbitrarily determined by the government that usurps our constitution incrementally.

Anyone who argues otherwise is making excuses for that oppressive government.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I can't recall any concealed carry permit holders that have gone on shooting sprees, that have got into severe trouble, or really anything that has made the headlines.

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George Zimmerman

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Originally Posted by cysoto

If I understand your questions correctly, you are implying that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the individual to carry concealed weapons; is that right?

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It wasn't really a question, but yes, that is what I mean. The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, without restriction.

While I think training is a great idea for everyone, according to the letter of the highest law of the land, the Constitution, it is illegal for the government to require it.

"...shall not be infringed."

That's pretty clear to me.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

I am all in favor of training for CCW holders, much like I'm strongly in favor of motorcyclists wearing proper safety gear, but I don't believe it's the government's place to mandate either.

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Just 'bout sums it up. The fact that I need a permit to practice a natural, Constitutionally protected right is complete bullshit. You don't need a permit to speak your mind, practice your religion, peaceably assemble, or write down your thoughts, why do I need one to keep and bear arms, concealed or otherwise?

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Originally Posted by cysoto

George Zimmerman

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If some dude starts beating the shit out of me and I am in fear of my life, I'd shoot him, too.

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Originally Posted by cysoto

George Zimmerman

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Only because the media pushed that bullshit.