Do you oppose Senate Bill 13-195? If so, why?

[cysoto]

I can't recall any concealed carry permit holders that have gone on shooting sprees, that have got into severe trouble, or really anything that has made the headlines.

George Zimmerman

[Sharpienads]

George Zimmerman

If some dude starts beating the shit out of me and I am in fear of my life, I'd shoot him, too.

[Fmedges]

George Zimmerman

Only because the media pushed that bullshit.

[cysoto]

Only because the media pushed that bullshit.

I was only refreshing Sniper7's memory when he said that he didn't recall the names of any CCW holders who "made the headlines" but fine, then how about: George Sodini, Paul Merhige, Christopher Speight or Michael McClendon (amongst others)? All of these folks were CCW holders at the time the committed their murders and I am willing to bet that you have never heard their names before today.

[cysoto]

training would have stopped these murders from happening?

I seriously doubt that any amount of training would have prevented these men from committing their crimes. Again, I only mentioned them because someone here said that he didn't recall any CCW holders ever making the headlines (which btw is a completely separate topic from my original question).

[Sharpienads]

I seriously doubt that any amount of training would have prevented these men from committing their crimes. Again, I only mentioned them because someone here said that he didn't recall any CCW holders ever making the headlines (which btw is a completely separate topic from my original question).

Fair enough.

But for the original question, there should be no mandated training. There should be no permit to carry concealed in the first place.

[O2HeN2]

George Zimmerman

I must have missed the conviction. Or do you also disagree with the position of "Innocent until proven guilty?"

O2

[cysoto]

I must have missed the conviction. Or do you also disagree with the position of "Innocent until proven guilty?"

Nope, you didn't miss the verdict but you did miss the original question. No conviction is needed to make the headlines.

[sniper7]

George Zimmerman

True, we still have yet to see what will happen to him. I believe he will get off due to the laws and the pictures of his injuries.

[cysoto]

I believe he will get off due to the laws and the pictures of his injuries.

I agree! Sadly he has already been found guilty in "the court of public opinion."