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    Quote Originally Posted by y4m4 View Post
    I also use a plumb line and do so while holding the rifle against my shoulder. I've used levels before (with and without a line), but the scope always looks canted when I'm holding the rifle due to my grip/shoulder pocket.

    I'd rather have the scope level to my body than to the rifle. Forcing myself to adjust my grip is, in my opinion, worse. The barrel doesn't care if it is rotated about the bore slightly. This is more repeatable for me.
    While I understand what you are saying, having the scope not level to the bore of the rifle will cause scope adjustments to be angular, instead of proper.

    If you only ever set a scope for zero, that's fine, but if you are going to try and dial elevation and windage, your method won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    While I understand what you are saying, having the scope not level to the bore of the rifle will cause scope adjustments to be angular, instead of proper.

    If you only ever set a scope for zero, that's fine, but if you are going to try and dial elevation and windage, your method won't work.
    I don't follow. The bore axis is essentially a 2 dimensional line. The line of sight through a scope is also a 2 dimensional line. These two axis are aligned via the scope rings. If these axis are not aligned then you have a big problem that can't be fixed with any amount of leveling. Now that I think about it, zeroing your scope's windage would account for any misalignment. I don't have any scopes on rifles that are set to zero windage after sighting in.

    If I dial a scope that is level to my grip (and the ground) with the both the barrel axis and scope axis aligned, it will go where I dial it. I've accurately dialed distances out to 975 yards with my .308 and I've participated in that Ft. Carson match at ranges from 200 to 600 yards while getting hits congruent to my experience level.

    The more I think about it, the more arbitrary alignment between anything other than the scope and the ground is. As you dial elevation, you're also changing the relationship between the bore and sight axis. That's why you can see your bullet trace arc into and out of view in the scope at long distances. You are shooting "over" your line of sight. The only thing that matters is a level scope (in relationship to a "true" perpendicularity to the ground) and an accurate zero, if these are off then your adjustments mean nothing. The ground is our reference for the cross hairs, not the barrel or the buttstock.

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    I'm sure this is long winded and rambling. I'm no expert on this stuff, hopefully this link adds some credibility to my method: http://www.scout.com/military/sniper...le-level-scope
    Last edited by y4m4; 02-16-2016 at 23:25.

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