Ready to throw her under the bus?

[nynco]

You want to know why the GOP is doing this. Because THEY the GOP pushed for cuts in the funding for embassy protection for the last few years. Its classic blame the other guy before someone looks at you.

And yes McCain did just that, but the right wing will never tell you that John was acting like a fool.

[Ronin13]

Log Cabin Republicans. I thought you guys would know that these people exist. Though they are a glutton for punishment lately.
http://www.logcabin.org/site/c.nsKSL....BE4C/Home.htm

Ronin - I did not mean to infer that you called me all those things. I am sorry if you thought so. I personally will only counter attack after I have been attacked. I am not here to demean people. But I will stick up for myself. Which is what I would expect from anyone. If it seems like I am doing that, its because I am getting shit from all directions. Including you in the past. BUT I have noticed that you (Ronin) have stopped acting that way for the most part. I don't hold a grudge, well I try not to, so treat me like you would want me to treat you and its all good and in the past. Life is too short for petty name calling to mean much in the long term.

Now as to the use of Nazi, Fascist and what not. Well to me those words are just as bad as calling some one a Commie. Esp when that person is not a Commie, but instead just an American with views that are all over the place like many people. I don't like Authoritarian Commies, they are no better than all Authoritarians (a term that fits left, right or center) that have killed many for insane ideological reasons.

Ok, so log cabin republicans just happen to be gay republicans... BFD. I'd be more concerned with the 'swinging dick in your face' liberals that currently make up the majority of the population in San Francisco... you can't tell me that a big group of them are republican, conservatives don't act like that!

As for your commie comment, granted I didn't get into politics or really pay attention until about 2003, so I'm not as new, but one of the first things studied in my freshman Political Science class was Marxist and Leninist Communism- our professor was a bit of an expert in it as he had a PhD in Poly Sci and an emphasis in the study of Communism (he was also fmr CIA during the 1970's and early 1980's). He took great pride in teaching us the dangers of communism, and even went as far to say that democratic ideals are dangerously close to crossing over into communist mentality. I haven't spoken with him in years, but on Nov. 7th, in a successful attempt to see if he remembered me, I sent an email asking his opinion of the current direction of our country. He replied with simply "Obama, whether he says so or not, is a devout student of Communism. I've been studying communists since before graduating college in 1968, and if he is not a communist, then I am the reincarnation of Thomas Payne." Again, like I said earlier, when people who lived under Soviet rule call democrats communists today, and they would know, then it's probably not too far off by calling people commies when they display those ideals.

[PugnacAutMortem]

As for your commie comment, granted I didn't get into politics or really pay attention until about 2003, so I'm not as new, but one of the first things studied in my freshman Political Science class was Marxist and Leninist Communism- our professor was a bit of an expert in it as he had a PhD in Poly Sci and an emphasis in the study of Communism (he was also fmr CIA during the 1970's and early 1980's). He took great pride in teaching us the dangers of communism, and even went as far to say that democratic ideals are dangerously close to crossing over into communist mentality. I haven't spoken with him in years, but on Nov. 7th, in a successful attempt to see if he remembered me, I sent an email asking his opinion of the current direction of our country. He replied with simply "Obama, whether he says so or not, is a devout student of Communism. I've been studying communists since before graduating college in 1968, and if he is not a communist, then I am the reincarnation of Thomas Payne." Again, like I said earlier, when people who lived under Soviet rule call democrats communists today, and they would know, then it's probably not too far off by calling people commies when they display those ideals.

I just don't see how you couldn't be a communist if you were mentored by nothing but communists and socialists throughout your formative years. That kind of political thinking isn't one that you just grow out of.

[spqrzilla]

nynco, we already had been intervening militarily in Libya. Have you not heard? It was in all the f'ing newspapers.

Further, there were specops forces just 2 hours flight time away on Italian airbases. Again, this was in all the news.

But the question remains why has Obama and his administration been lying to us.

[spqrzilla]

You want to know why the GOP is doing this. Because THEY the GOP pushed for cuts in the funding for embassy protection for the last few years. Its classic blame the other guy before someone looks at you.

And yes McCain did just that, but the right wing will never tell you that John was acting like a fool.

There was no shortage of funding for the State department. This is another lie from Obama supporters that you repeat in your ignorance. A trolling lie that you repeat to avoid the real controversy - Why did Obama lie to the American people? Why did Susan Rice repeat lies she knew were lies?

And if there was a cut in funding for embassy security, then take the costs out of the budget for providing Valerie Jarrett Secret Service protection.

[nynco]

Please communist and socialists are not the same thing. Second you could fit a meeting of the Communist party of America in a phone booth. That never stops the right wing from crying wolf about it though. I personally would rather have a leader who has listened to all sides and not one who never learns about the full spectrum. Example a Norway Socialist is no where near a Russian Communist. I think the labels and demonizing are there for people who need a constant enemy in order for them to make sense of the world.

Ronin, I think your professor has some personal scars that cloud his judgement. That or the job he held self selected for an extremist personality (which is part of CIA intake testing). I think A LOT of people are really falling for the propaganda and letting their personal fears and demons paint those things onto those they appose.

Obama is Wallstreets boy... WAY far away from being a communist. But the commie socialist stuff is used to give him cover so he can do what Wallstreet wants. I makes the left defend Obama regardless of how much he sucks Wallstreet titans off. How many people have gone to jail over the melt down? NONE... what a commie...

[spqrzilla]

See, in all the newspapers ... even the New York Times noticed that we were attacking with aircraft in Libya - where was the war that that started? Oh, yeah ... the one where our Benghazi consulate was attacked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/wo...pagewanted=all

[nynco]

There was no shortage of funding for the State department.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1954912.html

[nynco]

See, in all the newspapers ... even the New York Times noticed that we were attacking with aircraft in Libya - where was the war that that started? Oh, yeah ... the one where our Benghazi consulate was attacked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/wo...pagewanted=all

Boots on the ground tends to send a far different message than air support. Don't ask me why, but that is just how it is. I think the whole situation was a cluster fuck. But battle is never pretty and arm chair quaterbacks like to think so.

[Aloha_Shooter]

nynco, cut down on the meds. Trigger a 3rd world war? Seriously?

Here's what I would have wanted Obama to do:
1. Respond to the ambassador's concerns by ramping up security at one of the most dangerous consulates in the world.
2. Increase the security posture on the 11th anniversary of 9/11
3. On first report of trouble, mobilize assets so they got some close air support 3-4 hours after first report of the hostile forces. At least take out the damned mortars that they were getting voice-reports and laser spotting on. Y'know, the mortars that killed the two guys on the roof who were actually trying to save lives?
4. Tell the damned truth.
5. Tell the Damned Truth.
6. Tell the DAMNED TRUTH.

Defending your diplomats from armed attack has always been justified and has never caused international incidents or diplomatic issues. It's never been viewed as being a bull in a China shop until we got idiots in charge of the administration and State Department. However, NOT defending your diplomats IS bad for the nation as it gives the adversaries a moral victory and energizes their efforts against us. Taking no action and going to bed as guys are dying SEVEN HOURS first reports of trouble (while getting live voice and video feeds) then flying off to a fundraiser is beyond gutless and reprehensible. It should be criminal.