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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    My experience is as long as the gun will shoot half MOA consistently, it's mostly the shooter and the glass after that.
    ^x10
    You can't stress this enough. Face it, with modern CNC machining very rarely is the rifle to blame.
    I used to get a chuckle when I worked in the shop and a shooter new to the distance game would come in and talk about buying a Surgeon, McMillan or buying a Remington 700 and dropping 1K having the barrel replaced and the action trued etc.
    If you do you are just throwing away your money.
    You are far better off spending that extra money on ammo and range time, then tweak your rifle as you improve and discover what improvements are actually needed/beneficial for your situation.
    I used to liken it to wanting to drag race. You are not going to go out and buy a Top Fuel rail and learn with it and be competitive. You are going to start with a bracket car and work your way up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    ^x10
    I used to get a chuckle when I worked in the shop and a shooter new to the distance game would come in and talk about buying a Surgeon, McMillan or buying a Remington 700 and dropping 1K having the barrel replaced and the action trued etc.
    If you do you are just throwing away your money.
    To a point.

    If your rifle wont shoot, how do you know if you need to work on your ammo, position, wind reading, ect.

    Buy the best you can possibly afford and have someone that knows the game teach you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
    To a point.

    If your rifle wont shoot, how do you know if you need to work on your ammo, position, wind reading, ect.

    Buy the best you can possibly afford and have someone that knows the game teach you.
    This is right on. I've been teaching myself the long range game, and for a good year I wasn't able to determine what was me and what was the rifle/load. If I could have afforded it, I'd have bought the most accurate rifle money can buy, and when there were problems I'd have known they were me and not the gun. After more than a year of shooting at least every week, I'm just now getting to the point where I can differentiate between shooter error and an equipment problem.
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having the best money can buy and I can afford when it comes to the rifle and the ammo. But, the modern day produced rifle out-of-the-box is typically pretty damn good. I will invest in a custom rifle or two in the (not near) future, because I want to eventually get to a point where I can and do shoot more rifle sports. But, like everything shooting, if you are not putting pills down range, you simply have a very expensive custom status symbol.

    Reliabily shoot approximately 1/2 MOA and built to do the job is my minimum for shooting long distance. From there, cost per quality is exponential. Practice can overcome a lot as long as the minimum quality requirements are filled, but if you settle on the minimum your whole life, you will never reach your true potential in shooting.
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    Here's my stick. Sako TRG-22 with factory bipod and muzzle brake. The Leupold Vari-X III LR M3 sits in Badger Rings on a Near MFG 25MOA base. It's topped off with a Turner AWS sling. I've had this rifle for a few years now and it's a solid sub 1/2 moa shooter with handloads. This rifle has the best trigger of any rifle I've ever touched. Very crisp. These pictures are from groundhog hunting back in Pennsylvania. Enjoy!













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    Cms....that is beautiful

    I have a basic ruger mkII in 7mm rem mag only used it hunting. but am looking into getting a .308

    damn that gun is still sexy
    You sir, are a specialist in the art of discovering a welcoming outcome of a particular situation....not a mechanic.

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    This is the rifle I competed with, in .308, in 2005 and part of 2006

    This gun shooting 155 Lapuas at 2930 fps has made hits as far as about 1350, although .308 is not reliably accurate at that distance. The rifle wears a S&B PMII now.

    The first major match I shot with my AI-AW in .260, I won outright, and since then the .308 has been relegated to informal or training use only...
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