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    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    So in summary it's a ban on any detachable magazine semiauto rifles?
    This is headed towards the California style non-detachable magazines............ so as if the magazine is in place and can not be rapidly replaced with another................. The name escapes me at the moment.
    That is what Sullivan wants.
    ".....If manufacturers and gun owners want to continue selling and using the weapons, Sullivan said, they would need to adjust to firearms that can only be loaded slowly, bullet by bullet, from the top of the weapon ? not through detachable magazines......."

    So you can still sell AR's but the magazine can't be readily removed, basically have it pinned in place.
    Last edited by Oscar77; 01-06-2025 at 19:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar77 View Post
    This is headed towards the California style non-detachable magazines............ so as if the magazine is in place and can not be rapidly replaced with another................. The name escapes me at the moment.
    That is what Sullivan wants.

    So you can still sell AR's but the magazine can't be readily removed, basically have it pinned in place. [/COLOR]
    Similiar to the NY SAFE Act in regards to non-detachable magazines. There are all kinds of gimmicks out there to try to speed up reloading, but hopefully we are not talking about those gimmicks come May.

    https://youtu.be/Wz_rmunf6kU?si=TkQ2So04lO8Ol0X6
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    Similiar to the NY SAFE Act in regards to non-detachable magazines. There are all kinds of gimmicks out there to try to speed up reloading, but hopefully we are not talking about those gimmicks come May.

    https://youtu.be/Wz_rmunf6kU?si=TkQ2So04lO8Ol0X6
    Yes.......... That sort of true nonsense.

    I HATE trying to apply logic and reason to these things.
    I HATE EVEN MORE trying to decipher these legal issues thru a poorly written news article.

    That said.............. maybe they are going to "grand father" this like the magazines.................. "..anyone who possessed the weapons before a ban went into effect could keep them....."
    Which of course is funny because in this same article, they point out the failure of the magazine law to stop their sales.
    Last edited by Oscar77; 01-07-2025 at 00:02.

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    It's a measure of the civility in this country that no ones seems to fear constantly pissing off the people who own lots of guns.

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    Some media sources also indicate a ban on under 21 ammo purchase (didn't they already do that?) and all ammo must be behind the retail counter (not in the aisle).
    The vagrants of Boulder welcome you...

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    The draconian AWB is to attract the opposition attention so they can get everything else under the wire. Maybe SCOTUS will put an end to the stupidity eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    The draconian AWB is to attract the opposition attention so they can get everything else under the wire. Maybe SCOTUS will put an end to the stupidity eventually.
    Well the conference to take AWB, and other 2A cases is tomorrow.

    If they take the cases…. No more AWB.

    If they take it.. enough justices understand 2A that they will side with the people and constitution.

    Tomorrow is a big day telling us the future

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    This bill also bans all nfa items. See page 10.

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...25a_003_01.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussDXT View Post
    This bill also bans all nfa items. See page 10.

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...25a_003_01.pdf
    That's not what that part means, it's not a blanket ban on NFA items. It's amending the existing statute to add in their "rapid fire device" term.

    Current CRS 18-12-102:
    18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon - affirmative defense -
    definition
    (1) As used in this section, the term “dangerous weapon” means a firearm silencer, machine gun,
    short shotgun, short rifle, or ballistic knife.
    (2) As used in this section, the term “illegal weapon” means a blackjack, a gas gun, or metallic
    knuckles.
    (3) A person who knowingly possesses a dangerous weapon commits a class 5 felony. Each
    subsequent violation of this subsection (3) by the same person shall be a class 4 felony.
    (4) A person who knowingly possesses an illegal weapon commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
    (5) It shall be an affirmative defense to the charge of possessing a dangerous weapon, or to the
    charge of possessing an illegal weapon, that the person so accused was a peace officer or member of
    the armed forces of the United States or Colorado National Guard acting in the lawful discharge of his
    duties, or that said person has a valid permit and license for possession of such weapon.

    Point 5 there, specifically that last bit about valid permit/license is how NFA items are currently legal in CO and would still be legal even if this stupid bill passes. My cursory understanding is that many other states have similar statutes.

    Make no mistake I'm not a fan of the bill, but let's be clear on what it is and isn't. (You'd still be screwed on making say, a new AR SBR or mag fed SBS, but cans and other SBR/SBS/etc would still fly.)

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    Sullivan is either stupid or evil, or Both. It’s an assault weapon ban. I don’t think there’s any other way to rationally explain it. You can sell a gun today the same gun you can’t sell next time. I guess they are probably saying it’s not an assault weapons band because they know Scotus is going to strike down bans, so they’ll be able to say that their law isn’t affected by what’s coming down.
    I'll stop buying black rifles when my wife stops buying black shoes.

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