Your bug out plan - From City.

[Ranger]

You guys all need to read this book! Especially if you live in the City. It's the best $20 you'll ever spend, trust me! All of my friends have read it and read it over and over!

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CEMQ8wIwAw#

Good read but very tin hatty. There were some pretty cool ideas in the book but the scenario is quite extreme as are the situations they find themselves in.

For me, I'll hopefully be in the mountains already once we find the land we're looking for, but until then we have BOB's ready to go in case we MUST leave our house, but since I cannot load up enough supplies on my back or in my vehicles for more than a few weeks I plan on staying put as long as possible, and if I have to head out then I'll probably head north and east, not west. Everybody and their brother who ever thinks of bugging out picks the mountains, so that is a lot of folks to get through. What's worst is that most people don't know how to survive the mountains and will get desperate fast, and that's one more factor to contend with.

I don't agree that the mountain towns will block their roads, there will be a compassion factor in the first 24-48 hours as well as the fact that nobody is likely to get that organized that fast, the problem will be gridlock. It only takes a couple of accidents or broken down vehicles to block the major arteries into the mountains and then you are on foot and no better off than you were before.

I'll take my Jeep north and east, because I can't drive straight up a mountain but I can drive over nearly any terrain (including yards, fields, whatever) to get out of the city that way and there will be far fewer people bugging out to the rich farming lands of Nebraska or Kansas than in the mountains. I'll find a place that is defensible with folks who are less tactically experienced and need someone like me to help defend their homestead in exchange for food and shelter.

But no matter what it's a challenge, I live in Denver and how hard do you think THAT'S going to be getting out of town?!?!?! The mountains used to be my first choice and I've spend years refining my survival skills for our mountains in particular, but in the end I know it's the toughest choice possible and will likely go elsewhere (maybe circle back to them after initial die offs).

[StagLefty]

^ My feelings exactly

[Mtn.man]

I don't agree that the mountain towns will block their roads, there will be a compassion factor in the first 24-48 hours as well as the fact that nobody is likely to get that organized that fast, the problem will be gridlock. It only takes a couple of accidents or broken down vehicles to block the major arteries into the mountains and then you are on foot and no better off than you were before.

Not too familiar with the Bailey peeps I see.
Our plan is to stop people at the bottom of Crow hill lockem up take there goods keep the wemens for slaves and eat all the rest...

[hatidua]

Everybody and their brother who ever thinks of bugging out picks the mountains

The only place I see that being the case is on gun/survival forums. When I talk with those not within those groups, most don't have any desire to freeze their hind ends off in the mountains or swat mosquitoes endlessly. I had a bit of a 14'er habit last Summer and climbed 22 of them. When it'd come up in conversation back in town, people would look at me with polite sympathy, as if to say "too bad you don't have any friends/hobbies closer to town".

The more I think about it, if an event were to occur, I think you'd see a trickle of folks headed to the mountains (hopefully to a well stocked cabin) and the remaining masses headed either North or South on I-25 or East on I-70. February in the Colorado mountains, unless you have a cabin with a good stash of wood & food, is a very inhospitable place, even with the best outdoor gear and all the skills in the world, it's still cold, windy, and devoid of life for the most part. Many folks that romanticize escaping to the mountains would have a tough go at it in the Summer, much less the Winter. 100' of paracord, a Glock, a 'survival knife' and a fire stick ain't gonna get it done for weeks on end when it's -10* out and blowing 40mph.

Far too often, I get the impression that some people actually want some major disaster to occur. I can only surmise that they have never witnessed and lived through such an event in person. It's not romantic like it is in the movies or some novel.

Having lived through martial law under Marcos, multiple typhoons & hurricanes, several earthquakes that leveled whole areas, Etc., disasters are something that should not be longed for, they are ugly events that ruin peoples lives, including many who have heavily prepared for just such an event.

Prepare - absolutely! Hope for? -not a chance.

[Irving]

The only place I see that being the case is on gun/survival forums. When I talk with those not within those groups, most don't have any desire to freeze their hind ends off in the mountains or swat mosquitoes endlessly.

I think that Ranger is correct. It is the same way on automotive forums. People tend to think that the mountains are less inhabited than the cities (they are correct) and that they'll be room for them and less dirt bags robbing and rioting. Just look at I-70 into the mountains on July 4th and Memorial day weekends, and every weekend of ski season is enough to turn me off from the mountains.

[palepainter]

I do not see myself needing to go anywhere. I am on a couple acres here. I can pretty much provide food for my family here. I also have the means to protect the resources as well. I can see anyone coming from about 300 yards. I have a network of like minded neighbors that will provide support. There is only two roads into our sparse community. I would be willing and able to help a selected few buddies who live in the population. That has all been worked out if the situation ever happens.

I certainly do not wish any scenario to ever happen, it will put a lot of good people against other good people in a shitty situation. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but the entitled mentality will bring casualties and violence.

[alxone]

Our plan is to stop people at the bottom of Crow hill lockem up take there goods keep the wemens for slaves and eat all the rest...

wow

[LeJerk]

Ronin13, Put me on your guest list just in case

[BushMasterBoy]

Go to a quarry or mine. They usually have stockpiled diesel, explosives and heavy equipment to build defensive positions. Muriatic acid and sodium cyanide make hydrogen cyanide gas, like the old gas chamber. You can also find some old prospect adits you can hide or live underground in. Why do you think NORAD is underground, it is a really hard target. I saw generators (4) big as my house today. Plus I know they got loads of gold. Its fairly easy to defend when you have thousand of pounds of high explosives...even M1 Abrams tanks can't take that kind of firepower.

[BigMat]

The last place I would go is the mountains of CO, hell if I lived in the mountains of CO I would probably consider bugging out to the city! Every single person I have ever had this conversation with who doesn't have a plan says "I'll go to the mountains" and even if 1 in 10 makes it a week, that's still WAY too many people for a region such as the Western slope at this latitude to support. And I don't care how well defended you are, facing enough un-skilled opponents and they will get lucky, once, especially if you have food/shelter/heat in the mountains. And having all those dumbies running around will just ruin it for those who know what they are doing, can you imagine the number of forest fires, the number of deer kills with a hamburger cut out of them and then left to rot, the number of people crapping in water supplies. NO WAY!

The growing season is a bag of crap, the soil is worse, the trees are turdy pines, the sight-lines for self defense against a skilled adversary don't exist, and every REI hippy with a new shotgun will be desperate and hungry! NO THANKS! I would be better off heading to AZ again!
The only reason I can think of to head for the hills is an invasion-

Personally, I'll stay put and let the Mtn. folk sort out the riff-raff for a while, then I will move if need by, but my guess, if I can keep my head down, the riots, failed medication/health care, and suicides will take care of most of my food needs by finding it left over, not counting what I have. Oh and all the Mormans, mmmm.


Don't forget how Gunnison did in the 20's, the mountains won't be letting people in, and they may be livable now, barely (this is the most crowded western land it seems like!) but they sure wont be. I will stay right here thank you very much!